Soggust Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 2 hours ago, JonStark said: Bones is definitely not a better striker than Gane. Bones had the luxury of always having the bigger reach and didn't fair as well with guys that were close (I think Gus 2 was really the only one that was mentioned). He didn't really look great in 3 of his last 4 since popping. Athleticism probably goes to Gane too as we haven't seen Bones carry that extra weight yet (Gane is freakish for HW). People underrate Gane's grappling because he got caught off guard going against Francis which he probably thought was going to be all standup. Bones should probably be the favorite, but far from easy money. I agree athleticism prolly goes to Gane at this stage of his career and I also agree that Bones has looked most vulnerable in recent fights. But there is no planet I think Gane is a more talented striker at any distance, especially close. Jones is notorious for his work in the clinch and close with his knees and elbows, so I'm not sure why you think he's weak there, unless you're just referring to his recent fights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted February 18, 2023 Share Posted February 18, 2023 Its lazy handicapping but Ngannou controlled Gane to victory. Bones very likely goes there early and often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStark Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 5 hours ago, Soggust said: I agree athleticism prolly goes to Gane at this stage of his career and I also agree that Bones has looked most vulnerable in recent fights. But there is no planet I think Gane is a more talented striker at any distance, especially close. Jones is notorious for his work in the clinch and close with his knees and elbows, so I'm not sure why you think he's weak there, unless you're just referring to his recent fights? I mean if you're going to limit it to close range striking, you're probably right, but that's not really accurate. Gane is phenomenal with his footwork and at distance, and has great counterstriking ability once his opponent first gets into range. It's honestly insane that a HW can move and be as accurate as he is. Even if you think they are close, you can't give Bones the edge without seeing him carry that new weight around the octagon. He could be fine or he could gas chasing Gane around after a round and a half. This isn't a knock on Bones' striking though. He's accurate and creative, but he lacks the power and we're comparing him to one of the best pure strikers at any weight class IMO. 3 hours ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Its lazy handicapping but Ngannou controlled Gane to victory. Bones very likely goes there early and often Francis controlled him by executing an amazing gameplan that caught Gane off guard. That reversal in round 5 which won him the fight was absolutely beautiful. Sometimes you gotta give credit to the guy who won it instead of attributing it to a negative for the other guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pats#1 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 One thing that I think goes unnoticed because of his dominance is that JBJ actually has a really good chin….he ate some great shots from great strikers and was never truly rocked iirc….now this being heavyweight and Gain hitting like a truck, that may go out the window, but still an underrated quality of Jones that goes heavily overlooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 12 hours ago, Pats#1 said: One thing that I think goes unnoticed because of his dominance is that JBJ actually has a really good chin….he ate some great shots from great strikers and was never truly rocked iirc….now this being heavyweight and Gain hitting like a truck, that may go out the window, but still an underrated quality of Jones that goes heavily overlooked. See my thinking is that going to HW is actually easier than LHW, in some ways. Most notably, the first thing to go with age is speed. So, while HWs are going to hit harder, JBJ has been dealing with big hitters his entire career. The slower nature of HW benefits him, imo. But obviously it's all speculation until he actually gets in the ring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Im not even a Bones guy but man i just wanna see the fight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 charles v dariush at 288 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big poppa pump Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, 11sanchez11 said: charles v dariush at 288 Here is the link https://www.yahoo.com/sports/former-champ-charles-oliveira-returns-202655643.html We shall see what Dariush is all about now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 3 hours ago, 11sanchez11 said: charles v dariush at 288 Oh man, if Dariush can finish Charles he might just earn himself a #1 contender's fight. In a few years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 20 hours ago, Soggust said: Oh man, if Dariush can finish Charles he might just earn himself a #1 contender's fight. In a few years. I see what you did there. This is definitely a fun fight, I see the lines are pretty 50:50 too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 3 hours ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: I see what you did there. This is definitely a fun fight, I see the lines are pretty 50:50 too +120 for Charles is a nice chunk of change I plan on making. I think Chuck wins by TKO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 7 hours ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: I see what you did there. This is definitely a fun fight, I see the lines are pretty 50:50 too 3 hours ago, BullsandBroncos said: +120 for Charles is a nice chunk of change I plan on making. I think Chuck wins by TKO Completely agree the fight is amazing, if not the fight I wanted (Dariush title fight). It's a really tough style matchup for Dariush, in my mind, but I can't deny I'm excited af to see it. The blueprint on Beneil forever was that he was prone to getting into brawls and I think Charles will be more than happy to oblige. Charles is rangier and has slightly better striking, imo. Dariush will need to take it to the ground, which is always a dangerous proposition against Charles, even if I do think he's slightly overrated off his back. Charles at + money is very tempting to me, but I might just end of fading betting altogether. But if I do bet it, Charles was what I was eyeing for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Jalin Turner vs Gamrot at 285 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 9 hours ago, BullsandBroncos said: Jalin Turner vs Gamrot at 285 Woah that is quite the step up for Turner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullsandBroncos Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 3 hours ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said: Woah that is quite the step up for Turner I'd love to see him get the upset but Gamrot is a tough test for him. Good wrestler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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