RpMc Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Randall gave us a fun year, but Fuad is the 5th leading scorer, all-time, for the Vikings. Interesting conversation, do you put more value on the one excellent, still non-super bowl, year - or the longer career here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, RpMc said: Randall gave us a fun year, but Fuad is the 5th leading scorer, all-time, for the Vikings. Interesting conversation, do you put more value on the one excellent, still non-super bowl, year - or the longer career here? In my opinion it's relative to position. A quarterback having one stellar year gets the nod over a kicker...except if that kicker was Fred Cox. Again, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Going through the first 7 numbers by PFR's Approximate Value metric: 1. Warren Moon - 28 AV (Over Gary Anderson -19) 2. Kai Forbath - 5 AV (Over Britton Colquitt - 2) 3. Blair Walsh - 14 AV (Over Jeff George - 11) 4. Brett Favre - 21 AV (Over Mike Saxon - 5) 5. Teddy Bridgewater - 22 AV (over Chris Kluwe -17) 6. Matt Wile - 2 AV (over everyone else at 0) 7. Randall Cunningham - 27 AV (over Christian Ponder - 23 and Reveiz -19) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byuvike88 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 hour ago, SteelKing728 said: Poor TJack. I had so much hope for him. RIP That 07 team is still one of my favorites. They really had no expectations and that run they went on at the end of the year was a ton of fun. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 6 minutes ago, RpMc said: Going through the first 7 numbers by PFR's Approximate Value metric: 1. Warren Moon - 28 AV (Over Gary Anderson -19) 2. Kai Forbath - 5 AV (Over Britton Colquitt - 2) 3. Blair Walsh - 14 AV (Over Jeff George - 11) 4. Brett Favre - 21 AV (Over Mike Saxon - 5) 5. Teddy Bridgewater - 22 AV (over Chris Kluwe -17) 6. Matt Wile - 2 AV (over everyone else at 0) 7. Randall Cunningham - 27 AV (over Christian Ponder - 23 and Reveiz -19) The only one on that list that I feel strongly enough about to question is #3. Jeff George's few games put him ahead of Walsh for me. I was annoyed with George's propensity to go fetal before a hit came rather than hit a receiver at the cost of absorbing the hit, but at least he is a QB, which to me is always more valuable than a kicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, byuvike88 said: That 07 team is still one of my favorites. They really had no expectations and that run they went on at the end of the year was a ton of fun. You mean 08? I think we went 8-8 in 07. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Cearbhall said: The only one on that list that I feel strongly enough about to question is #3. Jeff George's few games put him ahead of Walsh for me. I was annoyed with George's propensity to go fetal before a hit came rather than hit a receiver at the cost of absorbing the hit, but at least he is a QB, which to me is always more valuable than a kicker. I've made my feelings known, especially on the Kluwe/Teddy situation...and I think solely using positional value in this particular type of discussion is unwarranted and actually, truly detrimental to the discussion as it limits the true evaluation of success as a Vikings player. If you're a damn good janitor, you're just as valuable as a damn good doctor (just in a different way). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 24 minutes ago, Cearbhall said: The only one on that list that I feel strongly enough about to question is #3. Jeff George's few games put him ahead of Walsh for me. I was annoyed with George's propensity to go fetal before a hit came rather than hit a receiver at the cost of absorbing the hit, but at least he is a QB, which to me is always more valuable than a kicker. It's likely about duration of career with the team. Walsh for 4.5 seasons and George for 10 starts. On a per game basis, George is undoubtedly higher in value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, RpMc said: It's likely about duration of career with the team. Walsh for 4.5 seasons and George for 10 starts. On a per game basis, George is undoubtedly higher in value. Oh for sure, and I was considering that too even when I decided I would put George ahead of Walsh. Even given the difference games played I remember more excitement during George's snaps than I did during all the snaps the kicker took in his time with the Vikings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RpMc Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 Just now, Cearbhall said: Oh for sure, and I was considering that too even when I decided I would put George ahead of Walsh. Even given the difference games played I remember more excitement during George's snaps than I did during all the snaps the kicker took in his time with the Vikings. Walsh's rookie year was pretty spectacular. 10/10 from 50+ was an awesome start to a derailed career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 1 minute ago, RpMc said: Walsh's rookie year was pretty spectacular. 10/10 from 50+ was an awesome start to a derailed career. Fair point. I still wouldn't take 4.5 years of Walsh over George's time with the Vikings. I understand if anyone else would rather have the kicker. There is a marginal gain of Walsh over an average kicker for sure. George was an amazing thrower but only an average QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worm Guts Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 2 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: You mean 08? I think we went 8-8 in 07. I don't know what he meant, but 07 was Adrian's rookie year. Adrian had a couple really fun games as a rookie. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted May 14, 2020 Share Posted May 14, 2020 29 minutes ago, Cearbhall said: George was an amazing thrower but only an average QB. He's still available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikes635 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 12 hours ago, RpMc said: Randall gave us a fun year, but Fuad is the 5th leading scorer, all-time, for the Vikings. Interesting conversation, do you put more value on the one excellent, still non-super bowl, year - or the longer career here? I put more value on who gave me the most good memories and that would be Cunningham 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted May 15, 2020 Share Posted May 15, 2020 #8 will be interesting I think. Last on my list will always be Sam Bradford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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