AkronsWitness Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 Just now, dawgdish said: Baker Mayfield is holding on line 2: he beat OBJ's dad to the phone Okay well lol besides the guy who has beef with literally every coach that he has ever played for. Baker having issues with a HC...cue the worlds smallest violin playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 2 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: Stefanski is the last thing wrong with this this team. He has been given Jacoby Brissett and Baker Mayfield at QB to work with and Baker as we know now, is the worst starting QB in the league statistically. Maybe we need to look back and say wow, Stefanski got the absolute most out of Baker in 2020 because he has never been that good since. Can we at least see what Stefanski can do with a actual QB like Watson for a year or two before calling for his job because Im confident he is the best HC this team has had since Bill Belichick He got the absolute most out of Baker who has looked beyond horrible this year in a different system and he has Jacoby playing arguably the best football of his career this season. Maybe Stefanski is actually really good but Browns fans/media have a fetish for firing coaches whenever they have a 2 game losing streak or somehow blame the offensive HC for the defense losing the Browns all of these games. 12 and 5 to 2 wins 4 losses If I am the owner everyone is already notice. Stefanski inherited a qb that beat the afc Champs 3 times in a row. Conclusion leshaun does not beat Cincinnati or Baltimore this year or next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, AkronsWitness said: Who doesnt respect him? I havent heard a single player have gripes with him and he also is the first CLE coach I can remember that shoulders all of the blame after losses and never throws his players under the bus. Eventually its gotta be on the players to step up and handle business. The Browns have the 7th ranked offense in the NFL right now with Jacoby **** Brissett at QB. If anything the Browns need a leader ON the field. They have no leadership from a player standpoint. Nobody who is going to step up and own these things, nobody to chew guys out on the sideline, nothing. Your paying Garrett/Ward/Chubb mega money but none of them are vocal leaders that hold others accountable. Dare I say.......this team desperately misses Jarvis Landry. You never appoint a player to do something your head coach should be doing (See: Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin) Hell, look at the Guardians, we have the youngest team in the Majors and Francona has them all in line and believing and he will not accept anything but your best, thats how you build a culture. Edited October 17, 2022 by MSURacerDT55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: You never appoint a player to do something your head coach should be doing (See: Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin) Hell, look at the Guardians, we have the youngest team in the Majors and Francona has them all in line and believing and he will not accept anything but your best, thats how you build a culture. You need more than coaching leadership to be successful. The players need their peers to be leaders or 'coaches on the field' to step up and do the same. Brady/Seymour/Harrison/Teddy was that for Belichick. Ben/Polamalu/Harrison/Ward/Heyward was that for Tomlin. Even with the Guardians, Jose is their unquestioned player leader. The Browns have nobody to do that. No player to hold other players accountable on the field. Garrett should be that guy, but hes not. I dont ever recall seeing shots of him on the sidelines working with other guys between possessions on what they are seeing, chewing another guy out (like Delpit) to hold them accountable for blowing a play. I just see him sucking oxygen sitting on the bench when hes not on the field. Garrett is not that guy, Landry was that guy, not Garrett. Edited October 17, 2022 by AkronsWitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonanza23 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 3 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: Stefanski is the last thing wrong with this this team. He has been given Jacoby Brissett and Baker Mayfield at QB to work with and Baker as we know now, is the worst starting QB in the league statistically. Maybe we need to look back and say wow, Stefanski got the absolute most out of Baker in 2020 because he has never been that good since. Can we at least see what Stefanski can do with a actual QB like Watson for a year or two before calling for his job because Im confident he is the best HC this team has had since Bill Belichick He got the absolute most out of Baker who has looked beyond horrible this year in a different system and he has Jacoby playing arguably the best football of his career this season. Maybe Stefanski is actually really good but Browns fans/media have a fetish for firing coaches whenever they have a 2 game losing streak or somehow blame the offensive HC for the defense losing the Browns all of these games. ^^^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: You need more than coaching leadership to be successful. The players need their peers to be leaders or 'coaches on the field' to step up and do the same. Brady/Seymour/Harrison/Teddy was that for Belichick. Ben/Polamalu/Harrison/Ward/Heyward was that for Tomlin. Even with the Guardians, Jose is their unquestioned player leader. The Browns have nobody to do that. No player to hold other players accountable on the field. How do you explain getting blew out by a team with a quarter of the talent we currently have? You guys are seriously trying to make a case about talent when we are losing to rebuilding teams when we were supposed to making some playoff run. We are getting circles run around us in terms of preparation and adjustments and overall coaching. STOP MAKING EXCUSES Edited October 17, 2022 by MSURacerDT55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) These coaches around the league are getting the most out of less and we are over here making excuses for a guy not getting the most out of supremely talented guys and had every opportunity to be at least 5-1. What a world we live in.... Edited October 17, 2022 by MSURacerDT55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: These coaches around the league are getting the most out of less and we are over here making excuses for a guy not getting the most out of supremely talented guys and had every opportunity to be at least 5-1. What a world we live in.... The Browns currently are the 7th rated offense in the NFL with Jacoby 'journeyman' Brissett as their quarterback. Kevin Stefanski is coaching his *** off on the offensive side of the ball and still 1/2 this fanbase wants to fire him when he is the best coach this team has had in almost 30 years. The issue 100% lies with the defense and special teams. The reason the Browns are not 6-0 right now is because the defense cant stop a nose bleed, they cant stay on their own assignment 10 yards down field, they give zero effort tackling or pursuing the ball carrier and they have blown FGs/Onside kick attempts is two games. Eventually you have to start blaming the players for their own performance. You have to blame Grant Delpit and Jacob Phillips for being 5 yards behind the play on every single snap. You have to blame the entire defense for giving zero effort when it comes to tackling. You have to blame the rookie kicker for missing game winners and XPs. You have to blame the hands team and Ronnie Harrison for bobbling the ball 20x while trying to recover it. Joe Woods and Mike Preifer are not helping, but at the end of the day the players need to give better effort and make the plays. They are the ones on the field. The coaches are not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 24 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: These coaches around the league are getting the most out of less and we are over here making excuses for a guy not getting the most out of supremely talented guys and had every opportunity to be at least 5-1. What a world we live in.... I mean, Stefanski is one of those guys. He’s got the 7th ranked offense led by *checks notes* Jacoby Brissett. No one is making any excuses for the defense and special teams coaches. Fire them to the moon. We’ve been asking for it for weeks to years depending on the poster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 minute ago, AkronsWitness said: The Browns currently are the 7th rated offense in the NFL with Jacoby 'journeyman' Brissett as their quarterback. Kevin Stefanski is coaching his *** off on the offensive side of the ball and still 1/2 this fanbase wants to fire him when he is the best coach this team has had in almost 30 years. The issue 100% lies with the defense and special teams. The reason the Browns are not 6-0 right now is because the defense cant stop a nose bleed, they cant stay on their own assignment 10 yards down field, they give zero effort tackling or pursuing the ball carrier and they have blown FGs/Onside kick attempts is two games. Eventually you have to start blaming the players for their own performance. You have to blame Grant Delpit and Jacob Phillips for being 5 yards behind the play on every single snap. You have to blame the entire defense for giving zero effort when it comes to tackling. You have to blame the rookie kicker for missing game winners and XPs. You have to blame the hands team and Ronnie Harrison for bobbling the ball 20x while trying to recover it. Joe Woods and Mike Preifer are not helping, but at the end of the day the players need to give better effort and make the plays. They are the ones on the field. The coaches are not. Part of deciding who’s to blame is are the players being put in a position to succeed and failing or are the not. Offensively the schemes were good yesterday, plays were there to be made. Players have to make them. In the case yesterday this issue was mostly Brissett. Defensively I couldn’t even begin to define our scheme. “Everyone stand around and run where you think something could happen.” It hasn’t fooled anyone all season. It’s like watching a kid who plays 3 hours of madden a day drive down the field against another kid who’s playing the game for the first time. It looks like chess to checkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Part of deciding who’s to blame is are the players being put in a position to succeed and failing or are the not. Offensively the schemes were good yesterday, plays were there to be made. Players have to make them. In the case yesterday this issue was mostly Brissett. Defensively I couldn’t even begin to define our scheme. “Everyone stand around and run where you think something could happen.” It hasn’t fooled anyone all season. It’s like watching a kid who plays 3 hours of madden a day drive down the field against another kid who’s playing the game for the first time. It looks like chess to checkers. What makes me believe this isnt 100% coaching on defense is that this is the same defense the Browns ran last year with the same coach with 95% of the same personnel. This isnt a new defense with a new coordinator with new pieces everywhere. Last year they were flat out dominant for the second half of the year once they figured it out. How do you go from that level of performance to absolutely horrible when nothing has changed besides the effort being given on the field. Edited October 17, 2022 by AkronsWitness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 33 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: These coaches around the league are getting the most out of less and we are over here making excuses for a guy not getting the most out of supremely talented guys and had every opportunity to be at least 5-1. What a world we live in.... I'd say if you feel as though he's lost the locker room, you're entitled to your opinion. I think the defensive coaching staff has and need to go. Past that, whatever happens in 2023, sure whatever. I can't imagine firing a dude who's had nobody at QB in 3 years and has found a way to make this offense a rock solid one. Sure, he needs to be more hands on in the ST and D areas, but past that, I don't fault him for much of anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 1 minute ago, AkronsWitness said: What makes me believe this isnt 100% coaching on defense is that this is the same defense the Browns ran last year with the same coach with 95% of the same personnel. This isnt a new offense with a new coordinator with new pieces everywhere. Last year they were flat out dominant for the second half of the year once they figured it out. How do you go from that level of performance to absolutely horrible when nothing has changed besides the effort being given on the field. Definite downgrades at the MLB and DT spots, not to mention how bad Delpit has been at FS. Throw in injuries at the DE spots (Clowney and Garrett), and that explains it IMO. I think a lot of those guys were good enough to bail him out and we were exposed against good teams like the Chargers, Patriots, and Cardinals last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Definite downgrades at the MLB and DT spots, not to mention how bad Delpit has been at FS. Throw in injuries at the DE spots (Clowney and Garrett), and that explains it IMO. I think a lot of those guys were good enough to bail him out and we were exposed against good teams like the Chargers, Patriots, and Cardinals last year. ehh its marginal IMO. Anthony Walker was still the MLB last and this year and Delpit was widely viewed as a upgrade to Harrison. The only real downgrade was DT but even still, you cant let that ruin your entire defense because of one sub par player at a position. I will say Ward, Johnson being horrible this year and JOK regressing was something that I did not see coming. The only player on defense that is playing like they should is Garrett, everyone else right now is underachieving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted October 17, 2022 Share Posted October 17, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: The Browns currently are the 7th rated offense in the NFL with Jacoby 'journeyman' Brissett as their quarterback. Kevin Stefanski is coaching his *** off on the offensive side of the ball and still 1/2 this fanbase wants to fire him when he is the best coach this team has had in almost 30 years. The issue 100% lies with the defense and special teams. The reason the Browns are not 6-0 right now is because the defense cant stop a nose bleed, they cant stay on their own assignment 10 yards down field, they give zero effort tackling or pursuing the ball carrier and they have blown FGs/Onside kick attempts is two games. Eventually you have to start blaming the players for their own performance. You have to blame Grant Delpit and Jacob Phillips for being 5 yards behind the play on every single snap. You have to blame the entire defense for giving zero effort when it comes to tackling. You have to blame the rookie kicker for missing game winners and XPs. You have to blame the hands team and Ronnie Harrison for bobbling the ball 20x while trying to recover it. Joe Woods and Mike Preifer are not helping, but at the end of the day the players need to give better effort and make the plays. They are the ones on the field. The coaches are not. What you fail to realize is any coach worth his salt isn't going to sit and watch the ship just sink, he is A) going to hold his coaches UNDER HIM accountable as well as his players, Stefanski has yet to do so. B) you are speaking as if Stefanski, Woods and Preifer are all on the same level, they aren't. Stefanski is afraid to have any type of hard conversation with anyone. C) Who is in charge of the players? The head coach, if you need to motivate them to play harder, you have pretty much lost them and they do not believe in you. If a guy does not believe in you or the scheme, they will never give you 100% On a side note, this is a great opportunity to find out who actually loves the game and who is out there collecting a paycheck. Edited October 17, 2022 by MSURacerDT55 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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