Here'sJim Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Between Kiwi and Candyman, it sounds like we need to jettison any underperforming talent, regardless of the value they could bring in the future (especially the guys on rookie contracts LOL). I know this might be a novel idea, but maybe we should stick with some of the guys who have performed well consistently in the past, especially if they are cheap, instead of rolling the dice with draft picks. It's not like Andrew Berry is killing it in the draft year in and year out. Edited December 12, 2022 by Here'sJim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Here'sJim said: Between Kiwi and Candyman, it sounds like we need to jettison any underperforming talent, regardless of the value they could bring in the future (especially the guys on rookie contracts LOL). I know this might be a novel idea, but maybe we should stick with some of the guys who have performed well consistently in the past, especially if they are cheap, instead of rolling the dice with draft picks. It's not like Andrew Berry is killing it in the draft year in and year out. Jed isn't a good culture fit, he seems depressed. It's jot like he is cheap either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here'sJim Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 12 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Jed isn't a good culture fit, he seems depressed. It's jot like he is cheap either. I think we all understand that there is mentality issue, but the dude is 23 and talented. I think it's worth waiting to see if things change. Btw, if you think paying 5-6 mil for a starting left tackle is expensive, I don't know what to tell you. It would look hella dumb to trade him for a 3rd round pick, have him play well somewhere else, all while trying to fill the hole with draft capital we don't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 16 minutes ago, Here'sJim said: I think we all understand that there is mentality issue, but the dude is 23 and talented. I think it's worth waiting to see if things change. Btw, if you think paying 5-6 mil for a starting left tackle is expensive, I don't know what to tell you. It would look hella dumb to trade him for a 3rd round pick, have him play well somewhere else, all while trying to fill the hole with draft capital we don't have. I'd consider a 2nd for him. If someone wanted ward for a 1st would you consider that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Kiwibrown said: I'd consider a 2nd for him. If someone wanted ward for a 1st would you consider that? Lol no. Log out, you’re drunk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Here'sJim said: I think we all understand that there is mentality issue, but the dude is 23 and talented. I think it's worth waiting to see if things change. Btw, if you think paying 5-6 mil for a starting left tackle is expensive, I don't know what to tell you. It would look hella dumb to trade him for a 3rd round pick, have him play well somewhere else, all while trying to fill the hole with draft capital we don't have. Happens all the time though. Baker for example. If we don't foresee him getting better, why hold on to him while he plays at a subpar level? Wills is cheap now and next year but then you have to decide to pick up his 5th year option which won't be cheap. I think I'd like to slide him back to RT next season and see if he is better there even though finding a LT isn't easy (See Jed Wills). We'll have to cross that bridge the following year anyway or pay Wills a lot of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 5 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Lol no. Log out, you’re drunk Eh, it's a valid reactionary suggestion. Trading him during the offseason would come with a $20+ million cap hit so it 100% can't and won't happen. Not even for three 1sts. We just couldn't do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here'sJim Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Thomas5737 said: Happens all the time though. Baker for example. If we don't foresee him getting better, why hold on to him while he plays at a subpar level? Wills is cheap now and next year but then you have to decide to pick up his 5th year option which won't be cheap. I think I'd like to slide him back to RT next season and see if he is better there even though finding a LT isn't easy (See Jed Wills). We'll have to cross that bridge the following year anyway or pay Wills a lot of money. I'm keeping him for the very reasons you described. If there is undeniable evidence that things aren't getting better, then you do what you have to do after next year and cut bait. However, I think I would rather gamble on Jed fixing his mentality over the course of next year then gamble on whatever rookie we can get in a later round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Here'sJim Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Kiwibrown said: I'd consider a 2nd for him. If someone wanted ward for a 1st would you consider that? No, because besides other obvious reasons, what's that 1st going to turn into? And what happens if our starting secondary players start getting hurt next year? Do we have the depth to contend still? If we consider ourselves contenders, we should not be rolling the dice on rookies compared to good veterans who have produced in our scheme previously. We just don't draft well enough to do that and we don't have enough time develop players. If we aren't contenders, we messed up. We traded 3 first rounders for our qb and we are paying him 50 mil a year. At this point, we have to roll with the picks that we have and hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 57 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: Eh, it's a valid reactionary suggestion. Trading him during the offseason would come with a $20+ million cap hit so it 100% can't and won't happen. Not even for three 1sts. We just couldn't do it. I mean, Ward is a good player. He’s a man/press guy and that’s not what Woods wants to do. Find a guy who can coach this defense up and play to his strengths and a guy like Ward will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Thomas5737 said: Eh, it's a valid reactionary suggestion. Trading him during the offseason would come with a $20+ million cap hit so it 100% can't and won't happen. Not even for three 1sts. We just couldn't do it. They can take gtd money in trades. It happened with Baker. I'd like to see ward either play better or play more man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: They can take gtd money in trades. It happened with Baker. I'd like to see ward either play better or play more man It's a 20+ million cap hit because of signing bonus. can't do anything about that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 4 hours ago, candyman93 said: Think he's still just not healthy. Feels like Bitonio is the only OL who is still playing well. Hopefully Pocic comes back this season as he's been missed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 7 hours ago, DawgX said: Think he's still just not healthy. Feels like Bitonio is the only OL who is still playing well. Hopefully Pocic comes back this season as he's been missed. He’s also playing next to our 5th option at center who’s stunk and Conklin who doesn’t look like he has in the past. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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