candyman93 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 Jack Sawyer only has 7.5 sacks in 2 years. I refuse to believe it’s because all of these guys were overrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, candyman93 said: Jack Sawyer only has 7.5 sacks in 2 years. I refuse to believe it’s because all of these guys were overrated. Sure, but he’s got some time to develop and put up numbers. Harrison never did. Harrison had 3.5 sacks as a freshman and that was his most productive season (as far as sacks go anyway) and that was in 2 less games. Edited November 29, 2022 by LETSGOBROWNIES Looked at the wrong numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 28 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: So like, what’s the issue? Good motor, elite size, assumably good athleticism…. 💩 production 26 minutes ago, candyman93 said: No idea It’s why I don’t understand how JT Tuimoloau only has 6 career sacks in 2 years. There’s something going on with OSU’s coaching. It's basically very similar to issues I have with the Browns. There's really no emphasis on disrupting the LOS or doing anything to create creative blitzing looks from linebackers. Under Fickell and Hafley, that was the norm. Coombs isn't a natural DC and is a DB guy and Knowles doesn't believe in blitzing and in my opinion is the most overrated DC ever (I've had that opinion for a while now). Zero creativity in the Front 7, zero emphasis on disruption, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 29 minutes ago, MWil23 said: It's basically very similar to issues I have with the Browns. There's really no emphasis on disrupting the LOS or doing anything to create creative blitzing looks from linebackers. Under Fickell and Hafley, that was the norm. Coombs isn't a natural DC and is a DB guy and Knowles doesn't believe in blitzing and in my opinion is the most overrated DC ever (I've had that opinion for a while now). Zero creativity in the Front 7, zero emphasis on disruption, etc. Even with that these guys are so talented that should take over at some point, even if it’s just racking up BS numbers vs Our Lady of The Poor or Directional State University Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Just now, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Even with that these guys are so talented that should take over at some point, even if it’s just racking up BS numbers vs Our Lady of The Poor or Directional State University If you notice, usually the DE rarely if ever utilize any type of an inside move or a stunt. It's essentially an EDGE rush or a bull rush. I 100% understand the desire to remain/keep gap integrity, but at some point, utilizing a nickelback blitz, interior twist/stunt with an EDGE swap, or an inside LB blitz is an easy mixer. I LOVE L.J. Jr, but at some point, maybe all of us need to take a step back and realize that Fickell, Vrabel, and Hafley ran a great scheme, and that it's drastically changed in the last 3-4 years, and not for the better. People can't continually say that these 5 star dudes in the Front 7 are the problem if/when they don't get developed. JMHO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, MWil23 said: If you notice, usually the DE rarely if ever utilize any type of an inside move or a stunt. It's essentially an EDGE rush or a bull rush. I 100% understand the desire to remain/keep gap integrity, but at some point, utilizing a nickelback blitz, interior twist/stunt with an EDGE swap, or an inside LB blitz is an easy mixer. I LOVE L.J. Jr, but at some point, maybe all of us need to take a step back and realize that Fickell, Vrabel, and Hafley ran a great scheme, and that it's drastically changed in the last 3-4 years, and not for the better. People can't continually say that these 5 star dudes in the Front 7 are the problem if/when they don't get developed. JMHO Fair points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: So like, what’s the issue? Good motor, elite size, assumably good athleticism…. 💩 production Super tight hips, no bend. But still has value....At 3 tech..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 JSN in the 2nd anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: JSN in the 2nd anyone? I was thinking what would it cost to trade up for him after the combine he’s gonna go top 15 again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 43 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: JSN in the 2nd anyone? If he goes after the 1st, I'll eat my hat. I bet he tests well. If somehow he slips, that's a no brainer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, MWil23 said: If he goes after the 1st, I'll eat my hat. I bet he tests well. If somehow he slips, that's a no brainer. Yeah, I read that on twitter somewhere and thought what you guys would think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, MSURacerDT55 said: JSN in the 2nd anyone? I’ve gotta be honest, no If he misses an entire season due to a hamstring injury it makes me wonder how much time he’d miss playing a 17 game schedule. I’m tired of injury prone guys. Edited November 29, 2022 by candyman93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 5 hours ago, candyman93 said: I’ve gotta be honest, no If he misses an entire season due to a hamstring injury it makes me wonder how much time he’d miss playing a 17 game schedule. I’m tired of injury prone guys. Bro, if he plays an 8-10 year career, who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said: Bro, if he plays an 8-10 year career, who cares? If you miss 12 weeks because of a hammy I’ve got serious questions. Are you going to miss an entire season if you get a high ankle sprain…? Are you going to pull a Michael Thomas one year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 11 minutes ago, candyman93 said: If you miss 12 weeks because of a hammy I’ve got serious questions. Are you going to miss an entire season if you get a high ankle sprain…? Are you going to pull a Michael Thomas one year? I think was more of an isolated situation than anything. I'm not sure what Michael Thomas has to do with JSN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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