y*so*blu Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 I don't see us winning this game unless the defense consistently creates havoc, keeping Rodgers from gaining momentum - especially later on. If we leave him an opportunity to win at the end and pad his massive ego even further, he'll take it. The Vikings need to show more heart and a stronger will to win than Dallas did last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 I think we're better coached than Dallas, but don't have the same amount of talent. If Bradford/Bridgewater, Diggs and Cook could go, I'd be very confident in the Vikings taking this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Some Packers fans think their defense is as good as ours. And some think its superior coaching that makes GB just as good or not better. Looking at it. I'd take Daniels in a heartbeat over Tom Johnson. I think Kendricks and Martinez are on the same level. Barr is better than Matthews. Both are having better seasons than last year. I guess I'd take Griffen and Hunter over Perry and Matthews. Morgan Burnett over Andrew Sendejo. Smith over Clinton-Dix. Uhh. I guess Trae Waynes over Davon House? Really neither are special. Newman and Alexander over Randall and Rollins. Brice and Jones over Kearse and Harris. Sound right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrgm Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 2 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: Some Packers fans think their defense is as good as ours. And some think its superior coaching that makes GB just as good or not better. Looking at it. I'd take Daniels in a heartbeat over Tom Johnson. I think Kendricks and Martinez are on the same level. Barr is better than Matthews. Both are having better seasons than last year. I guess I'd take Griffen and Hunter over Perry and Matthews. Morgan Burnett over Andrew Sendejo. Smith over Clinton-Dix. Uhh. I guess Trae Waynes over Davon House? Really neither are special. Newman and Alexander over Randall and Rollins. Brice and Jones over Kearse and Harris. Sound right? i would agree with this. But I do laugh at the packer fans that think their defense is on our level lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric dunn Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 2 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: Some Packers fans think their defense is as good as ours. And some think its superior coaching that makes GB just as good or not better. Looking at it. I'd take Daniels in a heartbeat over Tom Johnson. I think Kendricks and Martinez are on the same level. Barr is better than Matthews. Both are having better seasons than last year. I guess I'd take Griffen and Hunter over Perry and Matthews. Morgan Burnett over Andrew Sendejo. Smith over Clinton-Dix. Uhh. I guess Trae Waynes over Davon House? Really neither are special. Newman and Alexander over Randall and Rollins. Brice and Jones over Kearse and Harris. Sound right? The thing that separates ours though is we have a shutdown corner in Rhodes, which you didn't mention. And no mention of Linval, a beast. Whom overall, might be the Vikings best player on defense. We have great/near elite players at every level on defense. DL- Linval, Griffen & LB-Barr & DB- Rhodes, Smith. I personally don't think GB has an elite player on defense outside of Daniels. Matthews used to be and is still very good though. And Haha Dix is good. But I just think our star power outweighs there's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 46 minutes ago, Eric dunn said: I personally don't think GB has an elite player on defense outside of Daniels. Matthews used to be and is still very good though. And Haha Dix is good. But I just think our star power outweighs there's. we certainly have a better defensive coach also, even GB fans would readily agree to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 18 minutes ago, vike daddy said: we certainly have a better defensive coach also, even GB fans would readily agree to that. But they haven't. One insists that Dom Capers is a better coach than Zimmer. But seeing who the poster is, its probably better just to ignore their nonsense. I would know this. I say plenty of nonsense too lol I didn't mention Rhodes and Joseph because there is no competition. I shouldn't have mentioned Mike Daniels in comparison to Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEYPAUL! Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 Packers Defense is NO WHERE near ours, even on Paper. Vikings D has 4 ELITE players on it (Rhodes, Smith, Linval, Everson,) Kendricks, Barr, Hunter would CHANGE their defense and be the one of the best on GB's defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 please resist the urge to talk about GB forum members. even to mention that you aren't going to talk about them. be the anti-Nike. Just Don't Do It. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/13/2017 at 10:34 AM, vike daddy said: you can't just average all of GB's opponents' stats together like that, you have to look at how those teams were doing prior to playing GB. like this: In Week 2, GB played Atlanta. the Falcons scored 23 in their first game, but then 34 against GB. in Week 3, GB played Cincinnati. the Bengals scored 0 and 9 points in their first two games, but then 24 against GB. in Week 4, GB played Chicago, which will screw up any set of stats, lol. in Week 5, GB played Dallas. the Cowboys scored 19, 17, and 28 points in their first three games, but then 31 against GB. GB's opponents have scored more points against GB in their matchups than against their other opponents, that's my only point. This is a bit disingenuous. Why do we only look at games before and not games after? This is particularly important in the Cincy comparison since their offense turned completely around after firing their coordinator after the first 2 weeks. GBs defense held Cincy to 17 points and Cincy scored 31 and 20 the next two weeks. The Falcons offense also scored 27, not 34. GB's defense has surrendered the following net points vs their opponent's offensive scoring season averages against non-GB teams: DAL +7, Atlanta +3, Cincy +2, Chicago -2, Seattle -13. This is, of course, strictly looking at defensive performance, not overall scoring. Further, all of this data is fully encapsulated in FO's DVOA measurement which has GB currently at 20th and MIN at 16th. So that's the easiest place to look and see how the two defenses compare so far this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nzd07 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 We're only 3 point dogs here. Stange, since you'd assume we'd be huge dogs with Keenum (the line came out after the Monday Night game.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nzd07 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Following up on my previous post, about 80% of the bets are coming in on Green Bay. The line hasn't moved. The sharks are on Minny in this game. They must know something we don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nzd07 Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 Calling it now: Michael Floyd breakout game. He'll see the most of Rollins and Randall, two horrible corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 21 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: Some Packers fans think their defense is as good as ours. And some think its superior coaching that makes GB just as good or not better. Looking at it. I'd take Daniels in a heartbeat over Tom Johnson. I think Kendricks and Martinez are on the same level. Barr is better than Matthews. Both are having better seasons than last year. I guess I'd take Griffen and Hunter over Perry and Matthews. Morgan Burnett over Andrew Sendejo. Smith over Clinton-Dix. Uhh. I guess Trae Waynes over Davon House? Really neither are special. Newman and Alexander over Randall and Rollins. Brice and Jones over Kearse and Harris. Sound right? I think Packers fans saying our defense is as good as yours is looking thru green and gold glasses. Our D is better this year but we still a ways to go and not having Burnett along with Perry wearing a club on his dominate hand isn't good for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted October 15, 2017 Share Posted October 15, 2017 17 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: But they haven't. One insists that Dom Capers is a better coach than Zimmer. But seeing who the poster is, its probably better just to ignore their nonsense. I would know this. I say plenty of nonsense too lol I didn't mention Rhodes and Joseph because there is no competition. I shouldn't have mentioned Mike Daniels in comparison to Johnson. So one poster saying silly stuff means "some" Packers fans are thinking this way? Seriously? Come on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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