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2 minutes ago, Ragnarok said:

I figured my 3Ups this offseason would be Kolton, Donte, and Dallas.  Nothing has happened that would change that.

woof, good thing you're dumping Fuller and Beckham then to clear space for them.

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4 hours ago, bcb1213 said:

Midseason Draft Grades.  Rememver C is average for a rookie

 

1.1 - Anchorage:  QB Trevor Lawrence Clemson   C  Hasn't Been incredibly great or incredibly bad.  Probably want more from a number one pick but the situation hasn't been great.  Just average grade

1.2 - Death Valley:  From the University of Oregon, Offensive Tackle Penei Sewell  B+   Sewell has been a tremendous run blocker.  Has had some hiccups, to be expected in pass pro.  Solid start

1.3 - Anchorage:  WR Ja’Marr Chase LSU   A  After a worrisome preseason, he's looked the part of a great WR

1.4 - Anchorage:  TE Kyle Pitts Florida   B+  Has struggled a but trying to be more of a WR.  I think his future really comes down to use.  If he can play inline more his value sky rockets

1.5 - Death Valley:  From Brigham Young University, Quarterback Zach Wilson  D   Got thrown behind a suspect line after Becton got hurt.  Then he got hurt, not the start you want

1.6 - Antarctica:  Rashawn Slater OT  A+  Kid has looked like a franchise left tackle

1.7 - Anchorage:  CB Patrick Surtain ll Alabama  B  Has had some really oustanding games and some games where he's looked like a rookie.  Definitely has flashed the potential though

1.8 - Rome:  WR Jaylen Waddle Bama   B+  Despite an awful offense around him, he currently is on pace to set the rookie reception record

1.9 - Anchorage:  WR DeVonta Smith Alabama  B+  Has been the home run threat and is slowly becoming more reliable for Hurts, who himself is unreliable

1.10 - Camden:  Justin Fields QB Ohio St   C +  See Lawrence, Trevor

1.11 - Singapore:  Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina  B   Was playing well then got hurt for a significant time.  Time missed is a terrible thing for a rookie and impacts the grade here

1.12 - Gotham:  Trey Lance, QB - NDSU   c-  Obviously going in Lance was the developmental QB.  Sure Pheltz would have preferred some more playing time by now however

1.13 - Antarctica:   OT Christian Darrisaw  B-  Has looked solid, if unspectacular.  Very difficult to grade with him missing first month of season and getting into playing shape now

1.14 - Anchorage:  LB Micah Parsons Penn State    INC   Bit of a cop out, as a pure three down LB i don't know, as a run stopping, pass rushing force he's an A.  I imagine he was drafted for the former but Counselor surely isn't dissapointed in the latter

1.15 - Ivory Coast:  Caleb Farley, Cornerback, Virginia Tech    C+  See Horn, Jaycee, without as impressive a start

1.16 - Rome:  Edge Jaelan Phillips The U   D   Simply has not been worth the draft capital.  Fell into a system that doesn't like to utilize rookies as much but hes slowly getting more playing time so hopefully he can ball out second half

2.1 - Seoul:  OG Alijah Vera-Tucker,   USC  B   Has been great run blocking but has had some issues with power rushers in the pass game.  Solid start however

2.2 - Ivory Coast:  Greg Newsome II, Cornerback, Northwestern   A-  Has been perfectly acceptable as an outside corner this year.  Playing a ton and is what you look for from your early second round pick

2.3 - Seoul:  WR Rashod Bateman,   Mennessota   C+  Has looked solid when he has played but in and our of the lineup a bunch

2.4 - Ivory Coast:  Christian Barmore, Defensive Tackle, Alabama  B-  Has filled in very nicely as an interior pass rusher for the Pats.  Gets subbed out on short yardage but thats the Patriot way with fat guys

2.5 - Death Valley:  University of Michigan: EDGE Kwity Paye   A  Has looked outstanding in the Colts defense

2.6 - Singapore:  Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah  LB/S Notre Dame  B+  Was looking good and was starting to pick up his snap count before getting injured.  We will see if he gets back to the levels of snaps he was pre injury

2.7 - Rome:  RB Najee Harris.  Roll Tide   B  Obviously landed on a team that needed him.  Unfortunately he's stuck behind a bottom 5 NFL line with 90% of his yards this season coming after contact.  Has become a top RB receiving weapon in a very short time

2.8 - Cuba:  Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson  F   Unfortunate red shirt rookie year.

2.9 - Camden:  Terrace Marshall Jr WR LSU   D   Jlash can only hope that Cam finds this young WR.  He was completely disregarded in the Darnold era

2.10 - Death Valley:  Linebacker Zaven Collins  B  Has played well but has been more a chess piece than an every down guy for Arizona

2.11 - Gotham:  Trevon Moehrig, S - TCU  A-  Starting free safety.  Playing well.  High potential shown

2.12 - Camden:   Asante Samuel Jr CB FSU   A-  Has been perfectly acceptable as an outside corner this year.  Playing a ton and is what you look for from your early second round pick

2.13 - Singapore:  Jayson Oweh, Edge, Penn State  A-  Has definitely been an important part of the Ravens defense.  Still developing as a pass rusher but has held up against the run

2.14 - Cancun:  Gregory Rousseau, Edge, Miami (FL) B-  After a hot start to the season, Rousseau has plateaued out the past couple weeks.  Could be the rookie wall

2.15 - Ivory Coast:  Teven Jenkins, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma State  F+  Been working his way back from offseason surgery.  No active time yet

2.16 - Seoul:  RB Javonte Williams,   UNC.   B+  Has looked great.  I'm sure Seoul would have preferred a non 50/50 split but they are making it look like a great decision in Denver

3.1 - Death Valley:  C Creed Humphrey   A  Has been one of the best centers in the league this year

3.2 - Gotham:  Jamin Davis, LB - Kentucky  C  Been playing better as of late but really struggled to open the year

3.3 - Antarctica:  Trey Smith, OG - Tennessee   A-  You'll hear this a lot today, looks great run blocking but struggling in pass protection early in his career

3.4 - Berlin:  Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida  C  Has shown definite flashes but his use, playing time and injuries have all fluctuated too much to give more than an average grade

3.5 - Anchorage:  Edge Azeez Ojulari UGA   C+  Has been acceptable at the edge and shown some promise.  Still developing and getting playing time

3.6 - Antarctica:  Kyle Trask, QB, Florida  D  not playing

3.7 - Gotham:  Mac Jones, QB - Bama   B   He is what he is.  Knows his limitations and plays to the system

3.8 - Cancun:  Elijah Moore, WR, Mississippi    B  Has become a very consistent member of the Jets offense since Wilson went down.  Will have to see if that continues when he comes back

3.9 - Seoul:  TE Pat Freiermuth, Penn State  A  Looks like the next Heath Miller for Pittsburgh

3.10 - Gotham:  Tyson Campbell, CB - Georgia  C+  On the plus side he is playing a lot, on the minus side, he's not playing great

3.11 - Seoul:  Edge,   Joe Tryon   ,  Washington    C+  Has great plays followed by plays where he looks lost.  Doesn't help his snap counts are all over the map

3.12 - Raleigh:   Landon Dickerson, C Alabama   C  Been great in the run game but he's had people just flat out running around him in pass protection

3.13 - Rome:  DT LEVI ONWUZURIKE Washington   C-  Rotational lineman for the Lions after slowly getting back from injury.  Solid snap counts every week

3.14 - Berlin:  Eric Stokes, CB, UGA  A-  Has been perfectly acceptable as an outside corner this year.  Playing a ton and is what you look for from your third round pick

3.15 - Camden:  Joseph Ossai Edge Texas  F  Unfortunate redshirt rookie season

3.16 - Seoul:  OG Wyatt Davis,   Ohio State  D-  0 snaps

4.1 - Seoul:  Edge,   Carlos Basham Jr,    Wake Forest  C  Boogie has seen some playing time recently as an interior pass rusher.  Not sure if this is what he was drafted for

4.2 - Singapore:  Dillon Radunz OT North Dakota State  C-  Started a couple games.  Did not look ready to be a starting tackle

4.3 - Hungary:  Walker Little, OT Stanford  C+  Finally made his first start after the long road back.  Looked great in pass protection against a tough front

4.4 - Death Valley:  University of Oregon, S Jevon Holland    A  Starting free safety.  Playing well.  High potential shown

4.5 - Antarctica:  Marvin Wilson, DT, FSU  D-  Eagles practice squad

4.6 - Death Valley:  Florida State University, Wide Receiver Tamorrion Terry  F  Likely worst pick of the draft

4.7 - Camden:  Daviyon Nixon DT Iowa  C-  Was playing a rotational role well before hitting IR three weeks ago

4.8 - Rome:  LB Nick Thunder Bolten LB Mizzou   B+  As advertised, hes an excellent run thumper.  Surprise is he hasn't looked completely lost in coverage

4.9 - Camden:  Elerson Smith DE UNI   D-  0 Snaps, but was expected development prospect

4.10 - Raleigh:  Alim McNeill, DT NC State/Sanderson High School (Go Spartans)     C  Early down specialist for the Lions in a rotation.  Serves his role well

4.11 - Cancun:  Samuel Cosmi, OT, Texas  A-  Has looked really good for Washington, has some struggles with speed rushers but has held his own for sure

4.12 - Singapore:   Dyami Brown WR North Carolina   D  8 catches this year for 80 yards

4.13 - Seoul:  S Richie Grant, UCF   C-  Been used more as a slot corner.  Been just OK, i don't think he can stay as a slot corner

4.14 - Cuba:  Rondale Moore, WR/OW, Purdue   B+  Has been an all around fun weapon in the Arizona offense.  Carving out a role despite the talent in the desert

4.15 - Ivory Coast:  Quinn Meinerz, Center, Wisconsin-Whitewater  C-  Been playing for Denver on occasion.  Hasn't looked dreadful but has not been good either

4.16 - Cuba:  Kellen Mond, QB, Texas A&M  D  No work

5.1 - Camden:  Jabril Cox LB LSU  D-  Was rarely playing before landing on season ending IR

5.2 - Seoul:  Edge Payton Turner,   Houston   B  Has missed a couple weeks but definitely looks like an NFL lineman, if rotational

5.3 - Seoul:  DT Tyler Shelvin,  LSU   D-  Not going to lie, had to look up who this person was.  4 snaps and hit IR.  Apparantly got run over on one of the snaps

5.4 - Cancun:  Pete Werner, LB, THE Ohio State University   A  Plays a lot and looks like he will be a long term starter.  All you can ask for here

5.5 - Seoul:  C Josh Myers,  Ohio State  C+  Was looking like a solid center but then hit the IR with what could be a season ender.  Always hurts the development

5.6 - Antarctica:  Jay Tufele, DT, USC  D  Has been active one week this year

5.7 - Seoul:  T Liam Eichenberg,  Notre Dame  D+  Starting every week, doesn't look like he should be

5.8 - Anchorage:  Tommy Tremble, TE, Notre Dame  C+  Now part of the TE committee in Carolina.  Has made some nice plays

5.9 - Cancun:  Alex Leatherwood, G, Alabama  D  Has started a lot.  Has not looked good at all

5.10 - Raleigh:  Elijah Molden, Slot Gawd, Washington     B+  Has been just fine in the slot for the TItans, has had some rookie blunders but great playing time which in the fifth round, you'll take every time

5.11 - Gotham:  Jackson Carman, OL - Clemson  D+  Started for a solid stretch of weeks.  Did not look good

5.12 - Ivory Coast:   Amon-Ra St. Brown, Wide Receiver, USC  B-  Shown that he can be a solid, if unspectacular NFL wide receiver.  Solid for a fifth rounder

5.13 - Death Valley:  University of Central Arkansas, CB Robert Rochell  B-  Serving as the dime back for the Rams.  Has looked solid while playing

5.14 - Raleigh:  Ifeatu Melifonwu CB Syracuse   D   Got hurt in week 2 and hasn't made it back yet.  Wasn't playing well pre injury

5.15 - Ivory Coast:  Jalen Mayfield, Offensive Tackle, Michigan  D+  Starting consistently.  Awful in pass protection

5.16 - Cuba:  Rashad Weaver, Edge, Pittsburgh  D-  Got a little playing time back in week 3

6.1 - Seoul:  S Jamar Johnson,   Indiana  D-  0 snaps

6.2 - Seoul:  Edge Dayo Odeyingbo,   Vanderbilt  C  Been playing an interior pass rush role for the colts last couple weeks.  Has held his own but nothing too spectabular

6.3 - Berlin:  Baron Browning, LB, Ohio State    D+  Started two games.  Looked OKish.  Depth piece

6.4 - Death Valley:  Texas A&M University,  DT Bobby Brown III  D-  0 stats, inactive for 7 games

6.5 - Antarctica:  Hamsah Nasirildeen, S, FSU  D-  Moving him to LB expirment was not looking good before he his IR week 3

6.6 - Berlin:  Michael Carter, RB, UNC  B-  Hasn't looked great or awful.  Is slowly getting more and more work each week.  Will probably be more productive when Becton gets back

6.7 - Camden:  Osa Odighizuwa DT UCLA  C  Plays a lot.  really struggles in the run game but has shown some potential in the passing game. 

6.8 - Rome:  CB Aaron Robinson Central Flurrrrda  D+  Has only played 16 snaps working his way back from offseason surgery.  May have a bigger role second half of the season

6.9 - Ivory Coast:  Milton Williams, Defensive Tackle, Louisiana Tech  C-  PLus side, hes carved out a role in the Philly rotation.  Down side, he hasn't looked good

6.10 - Camden:  Nico Collins WR Michigan   C+  Missed a month of action but has looked solid given the oppurtunity.  Doesn't look like a star but a dependable target is definitely possible from what little I've seen

6.11 - Singapore:  Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky  D+  13 snaps, though most came last week

6.12 - Seoul:   OT Spencer Brown,  UNI  C+  Started 4 weeks.  Guess what, looks good in the run game but struggles in pass pro

6.13 - Seoul:  CB Paulson Adebo,  Stanford  A  Playing a lot and playing well for New Orleans

6.14 - Berlin:  Tommy Togiai, DT, Ohio State  C-  Finally got on the field in week 10 and actually looked pretty good in limited snaps

6.15 - Ivory Coast:  Brevin Jordan, Tight End, The U C-  Has played sparingly in Houston.  Does have a touchdown

6.16 - Rome::  Mountain Deonte Brown A LA BAMA  D-  Development get into shape year

7.1 - Antarctica:  Dylan Moses LB Bama   D-  0 snaps

7.2 - Camden:  Ben Cleveland G Georgia  C  Was getting some playing time before hitting the IR, didn't look overmatched

7.3 - Berlin:  Cameron McGrone, LB, Michigan   D-  0 Snaps

7.4 - Cuba:  Ronnie Perkins, Edge, Oklahoma   D-  0 Snaps

7.5 - Raleigh:  Tylan Wallace WR Oklahoma St.  D  Been used mainly on special teams

7.6 - Antarctica:  Aaron Banks, G, Notre Dame  D-  0 snaps

7.7 - Berlin:  Kenneth Gainwell, RB, Memphis    C   Has taken some snaps but if you can't beat out Jordan Howard and Boston Scott....

7.8 - Rome:  Bust Andre Cisco Cuse   D  Not playing much, bust

7.9 - Cancun:  Chazz Surratt, QB, North Carolina   D-  Who?

7.10 - Lancaster:  Trey Sermon, RB, Ohio State   D  Behind a differnt rookie

7.11 - Antarctica:  Stone Forsythe, T, Gator Nation  D-  0 snaps, inactive most weeks

7.12 - Gotham:   Chris Rumph II, EDGE - Duke  D+  Mainly a special teamer but has received some rotational snaps

7.13 - Raleigh:  Quincy Roche EDGE Miami  B-  Playing time keeps going up and he doesn't look out of place.  Good for a 7th rounder

7.14 - Cuba:  Hunter Long, TE, Boston College  D  Has been active for three games and played some snaps.  0 Stats

7.15 - Death Valley:  University of Georgia, Center Trey Hill   D  Has not been able to surpass Trey Hopkins, which is not a good sign

7.16 - Raleigh:  D’Wayne Eskridge OW Western Michigan   D  Has two catches for 2 yards

Just give me an overall F grade 🤣.

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Kwity Paye: five hits and 17 total tackles in 8 starts

A grade, "outstanding"

Azeez Ojulari, leading all rookies in sacks with 5.5 and playing 70 more snaps

C+ grade, "acceptable"

lol

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12 minutes ago, RuskieTitan said:

So Whicker gets the gameplans for this week? I'll get mine in before I fly tomorrow morning, so if there are any changes before kickoff (in terms of injury reporting) I'll likely be unable to adjust anything.

Are you coming to visit me?

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39 minutes ago, Blue said:

Kwity Paye: five hits and 17 total tackles in 8 starts

A grade, "outstanding"

Azeez Ojulari, leading all rookies in sacks with 5.5 and playing 70 more snaps

C+ grade, "acceptable"

lol

This guy knows. Paye has been pretty good but Azeez was taken a round later and I believe he is taking value into consideration. I know this is  not taken into consideration but gave up a 6th, Julian Love, and PFA 1 to add a 2023 first as part of the move down and selection of Azeez also. 
 

PS: Another Anchorage rookie leads all rookies in sack just barely with 6.

 

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40 minutes ago, Blue said:

Kwity Paye: five hits and 17 total tackles in 8 starts

A grade, "outstanding"

Azeez Ojulari, leading all rookies in sacks with 5.5 and playing 70 more snaps

C+ grade, "acceptable"

lol

Not everyone works for the NFL and knows stats for other teams. 

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6 minutes ago, MD4L said:

Bcb graded 114 or so picks. Cut the guy some slack.

 

I said it was a nice surprise. I assume he wants feedback when he posts this? I like feedback when I posts mocks even if I joke I’ll never do another knowing I will do 100 more.

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5 minutes ago, Scoundrel said:

I said it was a nice surprise. I assume he wants feedback when he posts this? I like feedback when I posts mocks even if I joke I’ll never do another knowing I will do 100 more.

It’s all good. I wanted him to change Etienne from F to incomplete.

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Trevor C= Higher than I would have given him

Chase A= Fair

Pitts B+= Fair. I believe he would produce more on Anchorage as he isn’t the only viable target as he currently is on Atlanta

Surtain B= I’d go higher. Seeing some of the other corners scores after him. He has given up just 49% against with 9 pds and held opponents to less than 40 yards against him in 8 out of 10 games one of the other two games was against our other rookie DeVonta. I know value is a thing also and he was the highest drafted defensive player in the draft but I’d go at least B+. Been very happy with him.

Smith B+= Fair. Hard to judge him with Hurts as his QB. He’s always open and is finally starting to come into his own. 

Parsons INC = Already spoke on this and I get your reasoning. He is an A for me any way I look at it like MD4L said.

Azeez C+= I am going B here. For the value and what he has given me. Needs to produce more consistently but he’s 21 and the potential is there to be graded higher and so far his play warrants a B for me.

Tremble C+= I’d probably go a C. He helps with blocking and hasn’t developed much as a receiver yet but he is 21 and was underused at ND. He was always a third year player for me as I have mentioned.

Great job BCB. 

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3 minutes ago, Scoundrel said:

Trevor C= Higher than I would have given him

Chase A= Fair

Pitts B+= Fair. I believe he would produce more on Anchorage as he isn’t the only viable target as he currently is on Atlanta

Surtain B= I’d go higher. Seeing some of the other corners scores after him. He has given up just 49% against with 9 pds and held opponents to less than 40 yards against him in 8 out of 10 games one of the other two games was against our other rookie DeVonta. I know value is a thing also and he was the highest drafted defensive player in the draft but I’d go at least B+. Been very happy with him.

Surtain has been better then expected and the expectations were relatively high. I will very likely always be a fan of the player. His dad was one of my favorite Dolphins during my childhood.

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