roi34 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 olave 4.39 official now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 I’m going on record and saying in NOT a Burks fan, for the Raiders. I knew he wasn’t going to run that well. Some people said he had high 4.3 to low 4.4 speed. That wasn’t what the tape showed me. I figured he had 4.53-4.57 speed. 4.55 isn’t bad, at all. He can be a good possession WR. I just think we need a speed guy. I should say that better: I think we need a “separator” who can win on deep routes. Sounds like a funny distinction but there’s some micro differences there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, roi34 said: olave 4.39 official now Geeeze how do you go from 4.26 to 4.39. He was Arnette’d! Jk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roi34 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 minute ago, jimkelly02 said: I’m going on record and saying in NOT a Burks fan, for the Raiders. I knew he wasn’t going to run that well. Some people said he had high 4.3 to low 4.4 speed. That wasn’t what the tape showed me. I figured he had 4.53-4.57 speed. 4.55 isn’t bad, at all. He can be a good possession WR. I just think we need a speed guy. I should say that better: I think we need a “separator” who can win on deep routes. Sounds like a funny distinction but there’s some micro differences there. eh burks going to be stud imo regardless. 40 time never mattered for burks for me. but speed guy obviously a need but meed right speed guy who is more mclauren than john ross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, BayRaider said: 4.2 and Low 4.3 requires teams to play you completely differently. One of the reasons we were so successful with Ruggs. Your absolutely right. That type of speed requires teams to have their safeties move back and more importantly concentrate their attentions on that WR before every snap. It even changes the way CBs cover. Going against that speed there’s no recovering from a mistake. I really hope we add some speed to the WR position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: Geeeze how do you go from 4.26 to 4.39. He was Arnette’d! Jk There was a new guy doing the manual time so that is why you’re seeing some not so normal time adjustments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 minute ago, roi34 said: eh burks going to be stud imo regardless. 40 time never mattered for burks for me. but speed guy obviously a need but meed right speed guy who is more mclauren than john ross Yeah… again don’t dislike Burks overall, just not for us IMO. I also was simply saying it Was obvious from the tape Burks wasn’t “fast”. the mclauren comp is exactly who I think we need. That’s why I want Wilson. Sadly the rumor is we were going to take McLauren in the 3rd (and he ended up being available) but we traded the pick for AB. I really wanted McLauren that year too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 minute ago, agarcia34 said: There was a new guy doing the manual time so that is why you’re seeing some not so normal time adjustments I wonder if the 4.21 stands. i say this totally joking…. “A new guy”, like they decided to give a stop watch to a temp hire or something? Instead of a guy seasoned scout with years and years of timing under his belt? I can just imagine the original guy called in sick at the last minute and some over eager guy just piped up and said “I can do it!”…. then ducked it all up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 And just as I asked about the 4.21 I went and checked and it’s a 4.28. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Just now, jimkelly02 said: I wonder if the 4.21 stands. i say this totally joking…. “A new guy”, like they decided to give a stop watch to a temp hire or something? Instead of a guy seasoned scout with years and years of timing under his belt? I can just imagine the original guy called in sick at the last minute and some over eager guy just piped up and said “I can do it!”…. then ducked it all up. No the 4.21 didn’t hold up. 4.28 was the correct time. Saw it on Twitter that the guy who usually would do it is no longer doing the manual time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jimkelly02 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 This whole times changing thing just goes to show you had little difference there is between 4.21 and 4.39. There’s 4 tiers of speed for me: ultra fast (Ruggs,Tyreek Hill) sub 4.35ish fast sub 4.45 Average sub 4.55 slow 4.55+ * the whole numbers thing does go against my point, in just using them as a way of expressing my idea To think because WR1 ran a 4.29 and WR2 ran 4.35 there is a difference in their speed is an odd notion to me. These numbers are just a test on a single day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 thats crazy... people career and lives on the line, millions and millions of dollars on the line too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 4.39 for Olave seems more accurate. He looks like a 4.42ish on tape and Wilson looks on tape exactly what he ran: about a 4.37ish. Wilson is probably the best fit for McDaniels Offense. Good route runner, 4.3 speed, would be a screen monster, lots of wiggle, good hips, good YAC ability. Depends what type of WR you are looking for, but he’s a very complete WR in McDaniels scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: This whole times changing thing just goes to show you had little difference there is between 4.21 and 4.39. There’s 4 tiers of speed for me: ultra fast (Ruggs,Tyreek Hill) sub 4.35ish fast sub 4.45 Average sub 4.55 slow 4.55+ * the whole numbers thing does go against my point, in just using them as a way of expressing my idea To think because WR1 ran a 4.29 and WR2 ran 4.35 there is a difference in their speed is an odd notion to me. These numbers are just a test on a single day. exactly. I say sub 4.35 - ultra speed. best of the best 4.35-4.4 is fast as hell, great speed 4.4- 4.49 - fast, good speed 4.5-4.6 average 4.6 plus kinda slow athletic testing Guys just can shine if they hit it out of the park with a timed speed, or get red flagged for testing horrible. Being a second faster or slower isn't going to kill someone Edited March 4, 2022 by Humble_Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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