soulman Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 When it Comes to QBs in the NFL, Studs are Studs. Andrew Dannehy | May 14th, 2021 https://dabearsblog.com/2021/studsarestuds Whether Justin Fields succeeds or fails, Matt Nagy probably isn’t going to have a hell of a lot to do with it. While everybody loves a “QB guru”, fans, media members and NFL teams waste entirely too much time talking about the development of young quarterbacks. It is just as likely that studs will be studs and duds, well, you get the picture. At least in the modern NFL. This isn’t your grandfather’s NFL and there isn’t a huge difference in the schemes run by teams. In his discussion with local media, Ohio State head coach Ryan Day referred to his experience in the NFL, even labeling his current scheme an “NFL offense” numerous times. Sure, rookie quarterbacks have to adjust to the speed of the NFL. They have to learn how to read different coverage concepts and adjust protections. And while that’s all stuff that a good NFL team will help with, some guys just get it. A narrative has emerged in recent months that Nagy failed to develop Mitch Trubisky. The truth is no one could have develop Trubisky because Trubisky is a bad football player. Bad football players don’t become good. Ryan Pace failed by drafting him to play quarterback in the NFL. Was Trubisky’s inability to read defenses and adjust something we would’ve found out about had he played more collegiate games? Almost certainly. (His inaccuracy downfield was certainly something that one would see if they looked at North Carolina tape.) Fundamental improvements are fixed in the offseason these days because NFL coaches aren’t allowed as much contact. Mike McCarthy used to run a full-blown QB Camp as part of his offseason program. (Aaron Rodgers even credited it as part of his development.) That can’t happen any more. Trubisky seemed to acknowledge that he wasn’t getting what he needed from his personal QB coach. Why else would he have changed coaches last offseason? If we’re going to blame Nagy for not developing Trubisky, why don’t we blame Bruce Arians for whatever happened to Jameis Winston? Surely Sean McVay can’t be trusted with young quarterbacks after failing Jared Goff and why didn’t Boy Genius Kyle Shanahan turn his first hand-picked passer, CJ Beathard into a steal? Then, if you look at the quarterbacks who have been good. Who do we credit for Derek Carr? Is Pete Carroll the genius behind Russ Wilson? Is Jason Garrett the reason Dak Prescott became a stud? Shouldn’t Bill O’Brien get another job because of the work he did with Deshaun Watson? Uhhh…no. There are plenty of examples of stud quarterbacks who became studs despite their surroundings. How many examples are there of quarterbacks who have been bad in one situation then became studs in another? The common answer to that question is Ryan Tannehill, but Tannehill wasn’t actually bad in Miami. He was just Adam Gased. (The Panthers are betting that Sam Darnold, like Tannehill, was also Gased — I wouldn’t be so confident that’s the case.) Josh Allen aside, most of the quarterbacks who have come into the league since the 2011 CBA have at least shown flashes of being really good early on. We have to understand that there will still be the growing pains we generally accept for other positions. Rookie tight ends, cornerbacks and wide receivers all typically struggle early too. Fields might be a rare exception because he’s a quarterback entering the league after having already done so many of the things that young quarterbacks struggle with. He ran an NFL offense, read the full field and played with the weight of the world on his shoulders. OSU wasn’t the NFL, but it’s as close as it gets. If Fields ends up playing as a rookie, Nagy should look at the remedial offense he and Bill Lazor built for Trubisky the second half of last season as the perfect transitional scheme for talented rookie. Because of the QB’s experience at OSU, Fields should be comfortable in that system from day one. If Fields is a stud, he’ll be a stud. He’ll learn the coverages, he’ll fix whatever mechanical issues that exist and he will adjust to the speed. Judging by what we saw at Ohio State, it should be expected that he does every single one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskieBear Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 yeah, i've changed my mind recently on this topic. if fields shows he's a better qb from day 1, start him. sorry matt flynn, i mean dalton, the rookie is starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I think the ability they have when they come to the NFL is more important than coaching. Mitch sucked. Better coaching would have made him look less sucky, but wOuld never have made him good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nads786 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Perfect example is Justin Herbert - does not get any first team reps all training camp and then Tyrold Taylor gets injured forcing Herbert to start. He was not setup for success and he killed it. His OC was our own Pep Hamilton... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeaReylo Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 5/14/2021 at 1:23 PM, WindyCity said: I think the ability they have when they come to the NFL is more important than coaching. Mitch sucked. Better coaching would have made him look less sucky, but wOuld never have made him good. I agree. The biggest reason was Nagy and Trubisky's style just didn't mesh together and the coach was more intrested in running his offense and winning games over developing a QB he didn't have anything to do with drafting. And given MT's limited skill set there's not much Matt could do? If you mix 5 lbs of ice cream and 5 lbs of monkey crap you just got yourself 10 lbs of crap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 4 hours ago, FosterTheSkins said: I agree. The biggest reason was Nagy and Trubisky's style just didn't mesh together and the coach was more intrested in running his offense and winning games over developing a QB he didn't have anything to do with drafting. And given MT's limited skill set there's not much Matt could do? If you mix 5 lbs of ice cream and 5 lbs of monkey crap you just got yourself 10 lbs of crap. I wonder. What kind of name would Ben and Jerry's slap on that? Just curious. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex63 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 hours ago, soulman said: I wonder. What kind of name would Ben and Jerry's slap on that? Just curious. 🤔 Chunky Monkey. You get that one for free. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulman Posted May 16, 2021 Author Share Posted May 16, 2021 7 hours ago, rex63 said: Chunky Monkey. You get that one for free. OK.....what kind of ice cream goes best with monkey crap? Do they interlace it with vanilla like a fudge swirl or mix it in chocolate in chunks like a double chocolate fudge? Jeezus, this is sick......LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Nads786 said: Perfect example is Justin Herbert - does not get any first team reps all training camp and then Tyrold Taylor gets injured forcing Herbert to start. He was not setup for success and he killed it. His OC was our own Pep Hamilton... Yep and he’s a great example of how nobody really knows which QBs will be good or bad right away. Most people thought he would be a project if not an outright bust. Edited May 16, 2021 by abstract_thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 24 minutes ago, soulman said: OK.....what kind of ice cream goes best with monkey crap? Do they interlace it with vanilla like a fudge swirl or mix it in chocolate in chunks like a double chocolate fudge? Jeezus, this is sick......LOL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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