Draft Pick Watch

[Karnage84]

On 1/29/2022 at 11:21 AM, Nnivolcm said:

Do you have access to how Harris was rated playing S vs CB? I thought he was a total bust but he seemed to improve when they put him at CB. 

		DEF	RDEF	TACK	PRSH	COV
1	FS	38.3	46.6	36.4		50.6
2	FS	62.6	63.2	84.1	58.3	61.1
3	FS	28.8	69.4	85.6	59.1	29.7
4	FS	27.6	63.5	26.5		27.3
5	FS	60.0	63.2	80.9	58.1	58.5
6	FS	53.7	62.9			53.7
7	FS	54.1	62.2	81.1		53.7
10	SS	73.0	65.5	58.3	56.5	70.8
11	SS	49.2	43.1	82.7	69.7	60.3
8	SCB	52.1	67.1	75.6	49.2	48.6
12	SCB	52.1	51.6	85.3	51.1	54.8
13	SCB	62.4	64.3	78.0	56.5	61.7
14	SCB	62.6	62.8	81.2	59.5	61.8
15	RCB	71.7	64.1	50.5		71.6
16	LCB	40.2	31.5	79.1		46.1
17	LCB	31.1	46.3	56.8		29.9
18	RCB	59.9	51.9	81.0		61.7
	FS	46.4	61.6	65.8	58.5	47.8
	SCB	57.3	61.5	80.0	54.1	56.7
	SS	61.1	54.3	70.5	63.1	65.6
	CB	50.7	48.5	66.9		52.3

[Karnage84]

Just now, Karnage84 said:

		DEF	RDEF	TACK	PRSH	COV
1	FS	38.3	46.6	36.4		50.6
2	FS	62.6	63.2	84.1	58.3	61.1
3	FS	28.8	69.4	85.6	59.1	29.7
4	FS	27.6	63.5	26.5		27.3
5	FS	60.0	63.2	80.9	58.1	58.5
6	FS	53.7	62.9			53.7
7	FS	54.1	62.2	81.1		53.7
10	SS	73.0	65.5	58.3	56.5	70.8
11	SS	49.2	43.1	82.7	69.7	60.3
8	SCB	52.1	67.1	75.6	49.2	48.6
12	SCB	52.1	51.6	85.3	51.1	54.8
13	SCB	62.4	64.3	78.0	56.5	61.7
14	SCB	62.6	62.8	81.2	59.5	61.8
15	RCB	71.7	64.1	50.5		71.6
16	LCB	40.2	31.5	79.1		46.1
17	LCB	31.1	46.3	56.8		29.9
18	RCB	59.9	51.9	81.0		61.7
	FS	46.4	61.6	65.8	58.5	47.8
	SCB	57.3	61.5	80.0	54.1	56.7
	SS	61.1	54.3	70.5	63.1	65.6
	CB	50.7	48.5	66.9		52.3

Depending on how much stock you put into PFF and its metrics, the thought of "Harris played better at CB than S" doesn't hold true. His best play was either in the slot or at Strong Safety. 

[Karnage84]

Formation by the numbers (snaps) this year. Individual designations according to PFF. 

 

		LEO	DLT	DRT	REO
		439	702	815	903
LCB							SCB			RCB
719			LILB	RILB			1021			984
			536	517
					FSR
					478
		FS
		473

[Karnage84]

On 1/26/2022 at 5:48 PM, Sllim Pickens said:

I really hope we sign Williams.  New Orleans obviously can't afford him and he would be reunited with his DB coach in Glenn.  Would be a huge upgrade for the back end.  Adding someone like Brisker or Cine at the top of the 2nd would be nice.  If we wait until the third or later then Bell, Kerby Joseph, Percy Butler or Bryan Cook would be good options.  Can you get a PFF breakdown on those guys you haven't covered yet?

Haven't forgotten about this and will post this soon.

[Sllim Pickens]

15 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

Haven't forgotten about this and will post this soon.

Kerby Joseph is the one I am most interested in.  His overall PFF score is insane so knowing the breakdowns would be nice.  I believe he was PFF's highest graded DB in the nation. 

[Karnage84]

Ask and you shall receive @Sllim Pickens

Kerby Joseph - 6'1, 200

Ovr: 90.4; RDEF - 76.5; PRSH - 77.2; COV - 90.6

FS - 207; FSL - 119; FSR - 114; LB - 97; SS - 69; SCB - 64

Percy Butler - 6'0, 190

OVR: 77.9; RDEF - 66.7; PRSH - 66.9; COV - 81.7

FSR - 126; FSL - 93; FS - 24; SCB - 128; SS - 99; LB - 49

Bryan Cook - 6'1, 210

OVR: 85.0; RDEF - 78.7; PRSH - 76.1; COV - 87.4

FS - 185; FSR - 31; FSL - 20; SCB - 167; SS - 157; LB - 140

[Karnage84]

SECONDARY	SCHOOL	HT	WT	PFF
NAME				OVR	RDEF	PRSH	COV
Kyle Hamilton	Notre Dame	76	220	76.1	68.9	67.2	80.8
Daxton Hill	Michigan	72	192	75.9	76.8	77.8	73.3
Jaquan Brisker	Penn State	73	200	82.4	67.4	61.9	89.5
Lewis Cine	Georgia	73	200	82.4	83.4	62.6	81.4
Jalen Pitre	Baylor	72	197	86.0	92.7	83.6	74.7
Kerby Joseph	Illinois	73	200	90.4	76.5	77.2	90.6
Damarri Mathis	Pittsburgh	71	195	68.0	87.5	55.1	65.7
Sterling Weatherford	Miami (OH)	76	215	65.1	7.2	71.5	57.8
Nick Cross	Maryland	73	215	67.7	75.7	72.3	59.9
Tycen Anderson	Toledo	74	210	69.3	66.1	70.0	68.8
Dane Belton	Iowa	73	205	77.1	64.1	54.0	82.3
Bryan Cook	Cincinnati	73	203	87.6	82.1	73.2	88.8
Reed Blankenship	Middle Tennessee	73	196	74.2	73.6	66.8	72.0
Tariq Carpenter	Georgia Tech	74	188	53.2	67.5	56.4	47.4
JT Woods	Baylor	74	193	67.8	47.0	56.7	75.6
Juanyeh Thomas	Georgia Tech	75	217	62.9	78.3	69.2	51.5
Nick Grant	Virginia	72	191	67.1	74.9	47.8	63.7
			AVERAGE	73.7	70.0	66.1	72.0

[Karnage84]

Just now, Karnage84 said:

SECONDARY	SCHOOL	HT	WT	PFF
NAME				OVR	RDEF	PRSH	COV
Kyle Hamilton	Notre Dame	76	220	76.1	68.9	67.2	80.8
Daxton Hill	Michigan	72	192	75.9	76.8	77.8	73.3
Jaquan Brisker	Penn State	73	200	82.4	67.4	61.9	89.5
Lewis Cine	Georgia	73	200	82.4	83.4	62.6	81.4
Jalen Pitre	Baylor	72	197	86.0	92.7	83.6	74.7
Kerby Joseph	Illinois	73	200	90.4	76.5	77.2	90.6
Damarri Mathis	Pittsburgh	71	195	68.0	87.5	55.1	65.7
Sterling Weatherford	Miami (OH)	76	215	65.1	7.2	71.5	57.8
Nick Cross	Maryland	73	215	67.7	75.7	72.3	59.9
Tycen Anderson	Toledo	74	210	69.3	66.1	70.0	68.8
Dane Belton	Iowa	73	205	77.1	64.1	54.0	82.3
Bryan Cook	Cincinnati	73	203	87.6	82.1	73.2	88.8
Reed Blankenship	Middle Tennessee	73	196	74.2	73.6	66.8	72.0
Tariq Carpenter	Georgia Tech	74	188	53.2	67.5	56.4	47.4
JT Woods	Baylor	74	193	67.8	47.0	56.7	75.6
Juanyeh Thomas	Georgia Tech	75	217	62.9	78.3	69.2	51.5
Nick Grant	Virginia	72	191	67.1	74.9	47.8	63.7
			AVERAGE	73.7	70.0	66.1	72.0

@Sllim Pickens

[Louis Friend]

34 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

SECONDARY	SCHOOL	HT	WT	PFF
NAME				OVR	RDEF	PRSH	COV
Kyle Hamilton	Notre Dame	76	220	76.1	68.9	67.2	80.8
Daxton Hill	Michigan	72	192	75.9	76.8	77.8	73.3
Jaquan Brisker	Penn State	73	200	82.4	67.4	61.9	89.5
Lewis Cine	Georgia	73	200	82.4	83.4	62.6	81.4
Jalen Pitre	Baylor	72	197	86.0	92.7	83.6	74.7
Kerby Joseph	Illinois	73	200	90.4	76.5	77.2	90.6
Damarri Mathis	Pittsburgh	71	195	68.0	87.5	55.1	65.7
Sterling Weatherford	Miami (OH)	76	215	65.1	7.2	71.5	57.8
Nick Cross	Maryland	73	215	67.7	75.7	72.3	59.9
Tycen Anderson	Toledo	74	210	69.3	66.1	70.0	68.8
Dane Belton	Iowa	73	205	77.1	64.1	54.0	82.3
Bryan Cook	Cincinnati	73	203	87.6	82.1	73.2	88.8
Reed Blankenship	Middle Tennessee	73	196	74.2	73.6	66.8	72.0
Tariq Carpenter	Georgia Tech	74	188	53.2	67.5	56.4	47.4
JT Woods	Baylor	74	193	67.8	47.0	56.7	75.6
Juanyeh Thomas	Georgia Tech	75	217	62.9	78.3	69.2	51.5
Nick Grant	Virginia	72	191	67.1	74.9	47.8	63.7
			AVERAGE	73.7	70.0	66.1	72.0

Reed Blankenship was a S I was high on last draft (Day2/3) but he returned to school. TBH, I didn't watch much of him this season. I wonder if he even gets drafted this year. 

I need to watch some more film on Bryan Cook. 

[Karnage84]

Just now, Louis Friend said:

Reed Blankenship was a S I was high on last draft (Day2/3) but he returned to school. TBH, I didn't watch much of him this season. I wonder if he even gets drafted this year. 

I need to watch some more film on Bryan Cook. 

I'm working on the snap counts for this group. Gonna try to work on some matching of prospects and what they've done in college with how we used guys like Walker, Harris, etc. 

[Karnage84]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10cigTzedg1W3TKxftDhyNkasTC-Z8Atn_MwKxbvbtWc/edit?usp=sharing

PFF Rankings and Snap Counts for top 16 safety prospects (according to TDN rankings)

[Sllim Pickens]

57 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10cigTzedg1W3TKxftDhyNkasTC-Z8Atn_MwKxbvbtWc/edit?usp=sharing

PFF Rankings and Snap Counts for top 16 safety prospects (according to TDN rankings)

Solid info.  Thanks for pulling it together.  I guess I will have to dig more on Pitre too.  Some solid S targets that I think will go earlier than some expect.  It looks like Cine in the late 1st or early 2nd would be solid or Joseph/Pitre/Cook in the third would be my desires.  Kerby was a one year wonder so that makes me nervous but kids do develop and it seems like he is figuring it out. 

[Karnage84]

1 minute ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Solid info.  Thanks for pulling it together.  I guess I will have to dig more on Pitre too.  Some solid S targets that I think will go earlier than some expect.  It looks like Cine in the late 1st or early 2nd would be solid or Joseph/Pitre/Cook in the third would be my desires.  Kerby was a one year wonder so that makes me nervous but kids do develop and it seems like he is figuring it out. 

Yeah - he's someone that I've discounted but on closer examination could be a very good fit for what we would want him to do. 

I was watching the PFF show Tailgaters (sp?) on YouTube (I'm not PFF exclusive, it was just a positional group rankings and seemed like an interesting topic). Their position is that the Safety group is top heavy and has a pretty solid drop off after maybe 6 guys? I'd have to re-check the names but they don't seem to love this safety group. Pitre is a name that was talked about as one of those guys and he seem to be a fit. So it'll be a cue for a deeper dive.

[Sllim Pickens]

2 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

Yeah - he's someone that I've discounted but on closer examination could be a very good fit for what we would want him to do. 

I was watching the PFF show Tailgaters (sp?) on YouTube (I'm not PFF exclusive, it was just a positional group rankings and seemed like an interesting topic). Their position is that the Safety group is top heavy and has a pretty solid drop off after maybe 6 guys? I'd have to re-check the names but they don't seem to love this safety group. Pitre is a name that was talked about as one of those guys and he seem to be a fit. So it'll be a cue for a deeper dive.

Seems a lot of sites, PFF included, list Pitre as a CB.  Which jives with him playing a ton in the slot.  

[Karnage84]

1 minute ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Seems a lot of sites, PFF included, list Pitre as a CB.  Which jives with him playing a ton in the slot.  

This is something that I don't know the answer to and I don't know if we would get a straight answer - are the PFF ratings based on an overall, broad system or position specific? Is a 77 something Rush Defense based on their position as a CB, as a S or as a general defensive player. Because the expectations of a corner in run support vs a box safety aren't the same thing. So if they're calling him a corner then it makes me wonder if he's being treated as a corner or as a defensive back (general).