RedGold Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 For some reason, I still see us going D heavy early. 29: Boye Mafe (Definitely Karlaftis if he manages to drop) 30: Roger McCreary 50: Travis Jones 62: John Metchie Would be a solid haul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMAW_KSU Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, mayanfootball said: JuJu for Hill? (essentially) We's been robbed.... Other than the 60m dollar difference and 5 draft pics you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanfootball Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Chiefer said: Reid needs a Z though, there should be a good amount of those available late first. Jahan Dotson, Christian Watson, Chris Olave, Garret Wilson, Treylon Burks, etc. Alec Pierce or Kyle Phillips may be had later on, i think we need to double dip to keep up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanfootball Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, EMAW_KSU said: Other than the 60m dollar difference and 5 draft pics you mean? Yep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mizter_Clean10 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I know this is a reach but does this possibly open up our offense a little bit because defenses won’t feel the need to play two high safeties as much. (Obviously we still would need a guy to get open deep and also possibly I’m just grasping at straws) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanfootball Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 56 minutes ago, kingseanjohn said: Even before the trade I thought Dotson would be a favorite at 30. Now I have to believe he’s the pick. Hopefully a pass rusher falls to 29. Like, we could have done without bringing back Frank Clark if we're going to "re-tool". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingseanjohn Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, mayanfootball said: Like, we could have done without bringing back Frank Clark if we're going to "re-tool". Keeping Clark only cost ~1.5mil more vs cutting him. It makes sense to keep him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Mizter_Clean10 said: I know this is a reach but does this possibly open up our offense a little bit because defenses won’t feel the need to play two high safeties as much. (Obviously we still would need a guy to get open deep and also possibly I’m just grasping at straws) Theres gonna be an adjustment period for Mahomes and Reid. He was a major security blanket, particularly during the scramble drill, and really made the offense lightning fast. But ive always wondered if it hamstrings being so Tyreek dependent. The offense usually doesnt miss a beat without him in the lineup. Get us some morereliable options and we should be okay. big question is playoff football, Tyreek was the difference against the Bills. Were gonna have to replace that somehow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanfootball Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 23 minutes ago, kingseanjohn said: Keeping Clark only cost ~1.5mil more vs cutting him. It makes sense to keep him. He's taking up roster space that we could use with all the DP's we got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMAW_KSU Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, mayanfootball said: Yep Seems like kind of big things to ignore, just saying. Yes, player for players we lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mayanfootball Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, EMAW_KSU said: Seems like kind of big things to ignore, just saying. Yes, player for players we lose. Yawwwn. Just sayin JuJu is left on our field and Tyreek is gone. So that's what I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 hours ago, EMAW_KSU said: It can’t be overlooked that it also keeps 70m off our salary cap for 1 player. It also changes the expectations. Rather than a tune up, we are doing major work 1 hour ago, mayanfootball said: JuJu for Hill? (essentially) We's been robbed.... Welcome to high finance. We can pay OB Jr now. happy? 4 hours ago, Chiefs_5627 said: interesting Isn't it? 4 hours ago, Chiefer said: Jets deal looks not good so Im glad he went to Miami Heard he built his mansion there last year, just Davante building his in Vegas last year. Coincidences? I would have preferred the Jets picks because I like the 30-50 area of this draft, but roughly the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 So, the big news dropped while I was stuck at work. Safe to say, I have thoughts. Probably a long post incoming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 I wish Tyreek well. It looks like they parted as friendly as these things can be. If I am reading the tea leaves correctly, we had a meeting of the minds with Hill and his agent. Both sides understood that there was not any way to make the numbers work. Accordingly, the team found Tyreek multiple teams who were willing to sign the deal wanted, then worked out the compensation. It's not the Russell Wilson deal, but we got a lot back. For the team, we had some success running Hill's routes with Hardman. JuJu will do what he can. Gordon is at least a seasoned veteran. The Patriots won Super Bowls with this sort of salad at WR. We definitely need to draft one or more WR, but don't expect miracles. Even if we land Burks or Jameson there will be a settling in period. J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 First of all, plain and simple, this sucks. Like, ignoring the compensation, the reasoning, the how we got here and who is or isn't at fault for this, losing Tyreek sucks. He has unquestionably been a pillar of the team in the past few years. Probably the greatest WR in franchise history. Maybe some will cling to Otis Taylor there, but regardless, Hill was ridiculously good. If he does anything remotely impressive in Miami, the man is canton bound. I think we were all kind of prepared that losing Mathieu might happen, but this one is way more out of left field, and sucks way more as a result. Like, I'm completely reshaping how I'm projecting the offseason and the coming seasons due to this. It's a big deal, and it's a shame, truly. That said, I understand this, from both sides. While you always want to think your guys will take the team friendly deal, will want to win and keep the gang together more than they want the bag, it doesn't always work that way. Tyreek took a discount the first time, one that he probably thought was unfair from his perspective, for the baby mama stuff. This is his chance to max out. I virtually guarantee he won't get another one, so it's now or never. I don't personally see the difference between $100M and $120M, as a guy with $0M, but, you have to do what you think is best for you. From the team's perspective, I wouldn't have paid him $30M per year. Tyreek is great, but is his contribution worth 15% of the cap? I would strongly say no. As much as Hill does, and as special of a player as he is, we've still had offensive issues because as great as Hill and Kelce are, you still need more behind that. And paying out that much makes that even harder to make happen. I really don't know what to make of this offseason now, though. Part of me thinks this makes perfect sense. We've gone far less all-in this offseason than in the past few, and losing Hill feeds into that. More cap space, more draft picks, less 2022 or bust. Given the additions the rest of the AFC has made, maybe slow playing it for a year would be good long term? Let some young guys get a shot, load up in the draft, save some money for next year. I don't know that they'll do this, but I could see the sense in it at this point. I've seen some discussion on how you replace Hill, and I don't think you can in any traditional sense. No one will do quite what he did. I'll be incredibly interested to see how defenses play us next year, because that could be a very interesting development, but that's getting ahead of things, here. I do think WR is a position where you can be just as well off with several pretty good guys, as you can with one great one. Similar to RB, where a couple of cheap specialists can combine for the production of one elite guy, at a position where you rotate anyways. I don't think we need to swing for the fences for a replacement, you just try to moneyball things a little bit. Hardman takes over these plays, Juju takes these ones, grab an okay free agent, a guy or two in the draft. Maybe Juju only gets 900 yards, 300 less than Hill last year, but you add Shenault or Landry to get 800 yards in Pringle's spot from last year, and that can make up for it even with the downgrade at #1. Ultimately though, this is purely going to come down to what we do with what we gained. Tyreek Hill versus $30M in cap space and 5 draft picks could easily swing either direction, heavily. There's no way, right now, of knowing what we'll do with those resources, and that's really what this will hinge on long term. Now we just kind of wait and hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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