Matts4313 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 16 minutes ago, squire12 said: Do you seriously not understand how teams can move salary cap hits around with restructures and extensions? The Saints might be the first true team I have ever seen in real cap hell. I read a cap-analyst led article that said they have like ~10-15 mandatory moves they have to do no matter what. Almost zero flexibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 minute ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: Being able to restructure or not; Do you seriously not understand how bad it is to be ranked 31st in NFL Available Salary Cap hell @ (-) $39,666,970 over the salary cap and/or how difficult it is to escape for Green Bay? Just ask Sean Payton who quit on New Orleans and walked away and all because of no ability to improve ala (-) $76,246,740 over the salary cap. I'd love for you. In your own words as a couch potato NFL GM to explain to me exactly how both of 31st ranked Green Bay and 32nd ranked New Orleans can both possibly A.) Get out of Salary Cap Hell. B.) Sign all of their star free agents and C.) Still have enough remaining salary cap space to sign both NFL upcoming Free Agents and D.) Their own draft picks. Don't throw no "chart" at me either; explain within your own words. This is from a few weeks ago. GB has a few paths out of their cap situation. cap space now (51 players) -48.4 cap saved cap cost balance extend Rodgers 17 -31.4 Extend Jaire 9.5 -21.9 extend Z 11.3 -10.6 Cut Cobb 6.85 -3.75 cut Crosby 2.4 -1.35 Cut Lewis 2.4 1.05 Restructure Clark 9.5 10.55 Extend Amos 5.1 15.65 extend Preston 8.7 24.35 re-sign Adams 10 14.35 Re-sign Campbell 4 10.35 Re-sign Lazard 2.5 7.85 ERFA (8 players) net cost 3.5 4.35 draft picks (9 picks) Net cost 3.2 1.15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: The Saints might be the first true team I have ever seen in real cap hell. I read a cap-analyst led article that said they have like ~10-15 mandatory moves they have to do no matter what. Almost zero flexibility. I haven't look closely at the Saints. With void years on restructures and extensions as options for teams, it is doable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: Being able to restructure or not; Do you seriously not understand how bad it is to be ranked 31st in NFL Available Salary Cap hell @ (-) $39,666,970 over the salary cap and/or how difficult it is to escape for Green Bay? Just ask Sean Payton who quit on New Orleans and walked away and all because of no ability to improve ala (-) $76,246,740 over the salary cap. I'd love for you. In your own words as a couch potato NFL GM to explain to me exactly how both of 31st ranked Green Bay and 32nd ranked New Orleans can both possibly A.) Get out of Salary Cap Hell. B.) Sign all of their star free agents and C.) Still have enough remaining salary cap space to sign both NFL upcoming Free Agents and D.) Their own draft picks. Don't throw no "chart" at me either; explain within your own words. I got to point B before raising an eyebrow. Did anyone, ever, say anything about "all" their star FAs? Or point C, participating in FA this year in any capacity beyond getting the cheapest of the cheap? You cant throw silly qualifiers on to what he said and then ask him to explain it. You are moving goalpost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, squire12 said: I haven't look closely at the Saints. With void years on restructures and extensions as options for teams, it is doable Thats exactly whats going to happen. Restructures with void years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adamq Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 39 minutes ago, squire12 said: This is from a few weeks ago. GB has a few paths out of their cap situation. cap space now (51 players) -48.4 cap saved cap cost balance extend Rodgers 17 -31.4 Extend Jaire 9.5 -21.9 extend Z 11.3 -10.6 Cut Cobb 6.85 -3.75 cut Crosby 2.4 -1.35 Cut Lewis 2.4 1.05 Restructure Clark 9.5 10.55 Extend Amos 5.1 15.65 extend Preston 8.7 24.35 re-sign Adams 10 14.35 Re-sign Campbell 4 10.35 Re-sign Lazard 2.5 7.85 ERFA (8 players) net cost 3.5 4.35 draft picks (9 picks) Net cost 3.2 1.15 Does that figure in the raise that Rodgers wants, or that he will throw a hissy fit if Cobb is cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, adamq said: Does that figure in the raise that Rodgers wants, or that he will throw a hissy fit if Cobb is cut? 3 year $127M extension. If GB adds a couple void years it could bump things up. Cobb is an option to come back k on a cheaper deal. There are other players that could be restructured/ extended to create more cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 51 minutes ago, squire12 said: This is from a few weeks ago. GB has a few paths out of their cap situation. cap space now (51 players) -48.4 cap saved cap cost balance extend Rodgers 17 -31.4 Extend Jaire 9.5 -21.9 extend Z 11.3 -10.6 Cut Cobb 6.85 -3.75 cut Crosby 2.4 -1.35 Cut Lewis 2.4 1.05 Restructure Clark 9.5 10.55 Extend Amos 5.1 15.65 extend Preston 8.7 24.35 re-sign Adams 10 14.35 Re-sign Campbell 4 10.35 Re-sign Lazard 2.5 7.85 ERFA (8 players) net cost 3.5 4.35 draft picks (9 picks) Net cost 3.2 1.15 Please explain that what that chart means in simple form (I'm not an expert chart reader). Please tell me how much available Salary Cap Space all of those moves would free up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 26, 2022 Author Share Posted February 26, 2022 57 minutes ago, squire12 said: This is from a few weeks ago. GB has a few paths out of their cap situation. cap space now (51 players) -48.4 cap saved cap cost balance extend Rodgers 17 -31.4 Extend Jaire 9.5 -21.9 extend Z 11.3 -10.6 Cut Cobb 6.85 -3.75 cut Crosby 2.4 -1.35 Cut Lewis 2.4 1.05 Restructure Clark 9.5 10.55 Extend Amos 5.1 15.65 extend Preston 8.7 24.35 re-sign Adams 10 14.35 Re-sign Campbell 4 10.35 Re-sign Lazard 2.5 7.85 ERFA (8 players) net cost 3.5 4.35 draft picks (9 picks) Net cost 3.2 1.15 Squire chart in NFL Gen... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, squire12 said: 3 year $127M extension. If GB adds a couple void years it could bump things up. Cobb is an option to come back k on a cheaper deal. There are other players that could be restructured/ extended to create more cap space. Is that what Packers fans want? I assume its pretty split at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: Please explain that what that chart means in simple form (I'm not an expert chart reader). Please tell me how much available Salary Cap Space all of those moves would free up? At the time I did that: GB starts with -$48M in cap space. The column cap saved is the cap the transaction would save. The balance is the balance of cap space after that transaction. Like balancing a checkbook.....for those who might have done that. Or a ledger sheet . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 1 minute ago, squire12 said: At the time I did that: GB starts with -$48M in cap space. The column cap saved is the cap the transaction would save. The balance is the balance of cap space after that transaction. Like balancing a checkbook.....for those who might have done that. Or a ledger sheet . So if they started @ -48M over the cap well then how much did they end with @ under the cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: So if they started @ -48M over the cap well then how much did they end with @ under the cap? Look at the chart. It has Rodgers, then $17m cap added with an extension, then on the far right it is -$31m. Goes on and on all the way down. Edited February 26, 2022 by Matts4313 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Is that what Packers fans want? I assume its pretty split at this point. Yeah. I think you have 3 main paths 1. Run It Back. Try to push as much cap down the road and bring back the key pieces. 2-3 year window and deal with the cap reset then. Suck for 1-2 years during a rebuild ......hopefully that is it. 2. Full on rebuild. Trade Rodgers. Tag and trade Adams. Cut/ trade as many older big contract players that would likely be on the down side of their career in 2-3 years. Draft capital in 2022, 2023 and cap space in 2023 and 2024 to go after UFA 3. straddle of 1 and 2. I think 3 is nothing anyone would want. 1 and 2 are pretty split among most in the GB sub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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