So who do you think wins the NFC East this season?

[EagleBlueDon]

2 hours ago, TheRealMcCoy said:

I'd say if anything they're exiting their window. I don't think I've talked to a single person who feels they're entering some successful or dominant era. That's honestly crazy or homer talk at this point. No more dominant OL, no more embarrassment of riches at WR, no more dominant Zeke, unsustainable defense last year, got tangibly worse at a number of positions, coach is dead in the water. I just don't see it. Hell, even prior to draft weekend I felt good about the Eagles chances just based off of how much talent Dallas lost, along with the coaching uncertainty. I personally think it's over for them. 

[EagleBlueDon]

3 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said:

Cowboys can't win a playoff game and this current "Team" is getting lumped in with SB Champions and a Dynasty? 

I mean you are partially correct I guess. They are almost 2 decades removed from a SB. (95-2022)

My jaw legit dropped when I read that post lol. No idea what that dude is talking about. 

[JAF-N72EX]

Jesus....Judging by the forums lately you would think the Eagles had just won the SB and are destined to repeat with the way some of these fans have been talking.  What the hell have they done to warrant such cockiness and blind homerism?

They haven't had a 10 win season in 5 years. They eked into the playoffs all 3 times in the last 4 years and have only ever controlled their own destiny one time while playing in a weak division. In 2018 it took for the Bears to beat the Vikings for them to earn a spot at 9-7.  In 2019, they got in at 9-7 again while playing in the weakest division in football and were 1 game away from missing.  In 2020 they were trash.  In 2021 they get blessed by the playoff expansion and finished the season 9-8 by beating non-playoff teams with a combined record of 46-79 while also losing to every playoff team they did play.  And finally in 2022, their QB is Jalen freaking Hurts.
So what gives? Are they still in the honeymoon phase after the Eagles finally replaced the bowl of Cambell's soup with something meaningful after 60 years? That was 5 years ago....let it go.

All 9 wins (Non-playoff teams)
ATL: 7-10
CAR: 5-12
DET: 3-13-1
DEN: 7-10
NO: 9-8
NYJ: 4-13
NYG: 4-13
WAS: 7-10 (x2)

Playoff teams
SF: LOSS
DAL: LOSS (Twice)
TB: LOSS (Twice)
LAC: LOSS
LVR: LOSS

 

[Matts4313]

8 minutes ago, EagleBlueDon said:

I'd say if anything they're exiting their window. I don't think I've talked to a single person who feels they're entering some successful or dominant era. That's honestly crazy or homer talk at this point. No more dominant OL, no more embarrassment of riches at WR, no more dominant Zeke, unsustainable defense last year, got tangibly worse at a number of positions, coach is dead in the water. I just don't see it. Hell, even prior to draft weekend I felt good about the Eagles chances just based off of how much talent Dallas lost, along with the coaching uncertainty. I personally think it's over for them. 

Youve literally made a post like this every offseason youve been on this site. Which has to be over a decade of you saying the same exact thing. Its crazy that you never learn.

We lost minimal talent. A disgruntled WR, a OG who sucked his entire time here, and a RT who was benched for poor play - - along with multiple suspensions and a bum hip. We did lose Randy Gregory, which sucks.

What we did do is get younger/better (hopefully) and deeper at OL. Younger and faster at WR. And added what many people say is one of the best pure pass rushers in the draft.

We also fixed our cap, mostly. All we need to do now is get rid of Zeke (next offseason).

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One last point - we will never be out of a window as long as we have good QB play and Will McClay running the drafts. We might have a down year here and there, but weve been in playoff contention virtually every year for 20 years. Weve rebuilt the entire roster like 4 times over that span.

[Jeezla]

18 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said:

Jesus....Judging by the forums lately you would think the Eagles had just won the SB and are destined to repeat with the way some of these fans have been talking.  What the hell have they done to warrant such cockiness and blind homerism?

They haven't had a 10 win season in 5 years. They eked into the playoffs all 3 times in the last 4 years and have only ever controlled their own destiny one time while playing in a weak division. In 2018 it took for the Bears to beat the Vikings for them to earn a spot at 9-7.  In 2019, they got in at 9-7 again while playing in the weakest division in football and were 1 game away from missing.  In 2020 they were trash.  In 2021 they get blessed by the playoff expansion and finished the season 9-8 by beating non-playoff teams with a combined record of 46-79 while also losing to every playoff team they did play.  And finally in 2022, their QB is Jalen freaking Hurts.
So what gives? Are they still in the honeymoon phase after the Eagles finally replaced the bowl of Cambell's soup with something meaningful after 60 years? That was 5 years ago....let it go.

All 9 wins (Non-playoff teams)
ATL: 7-10
CAR: 5-12
DET: 3-13-1
DEN: 7-10
NO: 9-8
NYJ: 4-13
NYG: 4-13
WAS: 7-10 (x2)

Playoff teams
SF: LOSS
DAL: LOSS (Twice)
TB: LOSS (Twice)
LAC: LOSS
LVR: LOSS

 

Now show us Dallas wins and losses

[JAF-N72EX]

2 minutes ago, Jeezla said:

Now show us Dallas wins and losses

I would if I was talking about them but I'm not. And I'm not because I don't see them in every thread acting like they just won the SB.

[TheRealMcCoy]

1 minute ago, JAF-N72EX said:

Jesus....Judging by the forums lately you would think the Eagles had just won the SB and are destined to repeat with the way some of these fans have been talking.  What the hell have they done to warrant such cockiness and blind homerism?

Jesus... I can't believe YOU.... JAF-N72EX is hating on the Eagles once again. I'm shocked.... appalled... stupefied.

2 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said:

They haven't had a 10 win season in 5 years.

We could've easily won 10 games last year, but decided to sit everyone for the last game of the season and call up a bunch of practice squad guys and put in the depth guys on the team to go up against most of the Cowboys starters and Dallas still struggled with those guys for most of the 1st half before pulling ahead late in the 2nd quarter and running away with it in the 2nd half. The Eagles were just trying to stay healthy for the playoffs since their playoff spot was already locked in. Dallas still could play for seeding and needed to start Dak Prescott for a tune up game, cause they were playing bad football in the 2nd half of the season. 

Not to mention we've made the playoffs 4 out of the past 5 years. Doesn't matter what our record is. We made the playoffs for the past half decade besides 2020 which was a disaster of a season from the injuries to Wentz and Pederson both melting down and needing to be moved on from.

7 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said:

And finally in 2022, their QB is Jalen freaking Hurts.

You mean the QB who was better than Justin Fields and has improved every single year of his career dating back to his freshman year at Bama and has never played in the same offense for 2 years in a row since he played for his dad back in HS? That Jalen Hurts? The one who was around league average or maybe slightly below as a passer and took pretty good care of the ball and enhanced our running game to be the best in the NFL last year? The one who ranked 11th in the league in PFF grade?

8 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said:

So what gives?

Ascending team that finished the year strong and has a HC that showed the ability to be adaptable to the team he had and got the very most out of them. A team that has made a lot of good moves in the offseason including bringing in Haason Reddick to bolster the pass rush as a great fit as the SAM backer (main duty is to rush the passer) in Gannon's defense. Brought in Kyzir White as a WLB who is good in coverage to replace Alex Singleton who is a guy we brought in years ago from the CFL and who downright was awful in coverage last year and got us killed by TEs and RBs. Brought in Nakobe Dean in the draft who is probably the most instinctive LB and best leader at that position in this 2022 draft class. Brought in Jordan Davis to add to a team that ranked 6th in YPC allowed on the ground. Despite that last fact the Eagles did have some problems on 3rd/4th and short stopping teams from getting that yard or two in those situations. For a team that likes to play a ton of 2 high safeties having a guy like Jordan Davis in the middle is very important. Not to mention they added AJ Brown who is a great compliment to DeVonta Smith and will make life easier on him and Quez Watkins who showed nice progress from his rookie to second year.

13 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said:

Playoff teams
SF: LOSS
DAL: LOSS (Twice)
TB: LOSS (Twice)
LAC: LOSS
LVR: LOSS

The 2nd Dallas loss doesn't even count like I talked about before.

The SF, LVR, TB, LAC, DAL (first game), and LAC games all happened in the first half (9 weeks) of the season.

The Eagles literally did not transition to being a heavy run first team until week 8 against the Lions when they blew them out and the game after that week 9 against the Chargers we should've probably beat them that game and we gave it away. 

Most of those losses to playoff teams weren't beatdowns or anything besides the Cowboys and I guess the Raiders to a little lesser extent and that was before we started playing to the strength of our team which was our great OL and their run blocking which was probably the best in the league. Not to mention Jonathan Gannon played the defense SUPER DUPER vanilla the first half of the season, cause he didn't trust the personnel he had (I can't really blame him...) to be able to be more aggressive, especially against all the good to great QBs we played those first 9 weeks. Early in the season we were a team trying to find our identity with a first year starting QB, a first year HC who was also a first year offensive play caller, and a first year defensive play caller as well.

22 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said:

All 9 wins (Non-playoff teams)
ATL: 7-10
CAR: 5-12
DET: 3-13-1
DEN: 7-10
NO: 9-8
NYJ: 4-13
NYG: 4-13
WAS: 7-10 (x2)

We beat down the Falcons. We beat down the Lions. We beat down the Broncos. We beat down the Saints. We beat down the Jets with our back-up QB. 

We took care of pretty much every single game we were supposed to take care of as a team besides that first Giants game and even then that game we were the better team that day. Giants got away with DPI on 2 of Hurts INTs and Scott fumbled a ball when we were driving to take the lead late. To add even more context we beat a Saints team that beat the SB champs twice and who had the #1 ranked defense and we hung 40 points on them. We beat down the Broncos in their house in between them beating the crap out of the Cowboys at Jerry World the week before and after they lost to us they went and beat the Chargers convincingly.

 

[Jeezla]

9 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said:

I would if I was talking about them but I'm not. And I'm not because I don't see them in every thread acting like they just won the SB.

Are they acting like they just won the SB? Or like they could potentially win the NFCE in a thread about who should win the NFCE? Sounds like you just hate Philly.

[TheRealMcCoy]

17 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

A disgruntled WR

Your best WR

18 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

a OG who sucked his entire time here

An OG that was solid last year and better than Cowboys fans made him out to be. Yeah, he commit a lot of penalties, but you might wanna look into your 1st round pick. He has the same problem and he probably isn't gonna be better than Williams was last year.

19 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

and a RT who was benched for poor play

Collins is a good RT lol. Steele is solid on the right side, but he's more of a very good back-up tackle than someone you want starting. 

20 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

And added what many people say is one of the best pure pass rushers in the draft.

lol

20 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

We also fixed our cap, mostly. All we need to do now is get rid of Zeke (next offseason).

Never should've given him that deal to begin with.

20 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

One last point - we will never be out of a window as long as we have good QB play and Will McClay running the drafts. We might have a down year here and there, but weve been in playoff contention virtually every year for 20 years.

Yet you are 3-10 in the playoffs in the past 25 years and have never made it past the divisional round.... lol

[JAF-N72EX]

3 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said:

We could've easily won 10 games last year,

And I could've been president of the United States too.

4 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said:

The 2nd Dallas loss doesn't even count

*Looks up official NFL record books*

Yep. It still counts.

 

[TheRealMcCoy]

2 minutes ago, Jeezla said:

Are they acting like they just won the SB? Or like they could potentially win the NFCE in a thread about who should win the NFCE? Sounds like you just hate Philly.

Him and @SteelKing728 should start an Eagles hate club discord for NFC North fans that have been hurt by the Eagles in recent playoff games.

[TheRealMcCoy]

1 minute ago, JAF-N72EX said:

And I could've been president of the United States too.

Considering your ability to contextualize why people would be higher on the Eagles than you....

I highly doubt that you could even win a position in your local city's government.

2 minutes ago, JAF-N72EX said:

*Looks up official NFL record books*

Yep. It still counts.

*cough* context matters *cough*

You have a brain. Try using it some time.

[EagleBlueDon]

30 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Youve literally made a post like this every offseason youve been on this site. Which has to be over a decade of you saying the same exact thing. Its crazy that you never learn.

We lost minimal talent. A disgruntled WR, a OG who sucked his entire time here, and a RT who was benched for poor play - - along with multiple suspensions and a bum hip. We did lose Randy Gregory, which sucks.

What we did do is get younger/better (hopefully) and deeper at OL. Younger and faster at WR. And added what many people say is one of the best pure pass rushers in the draft.

We also fixed our cap, mostly. All we need to do now is get rid of Zeke (next offseason).

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One last point - we will never be out of a window as long as we have good QB play and Will McClay running the drafts. We might have a down year here and there, but weve been in playoff contention virtually every year for 20 years. Weve rebuilt the entire roster like 4 times over that span.

I mean Dallas never does anything of substance, so I think it's fair to say every time I make this post, it can be graded as accurate. You got worse on paper and the Eagles got better on paper. I don't think there's much to dispute about that. I think it's more of an issue with your reluctance to admit that Dallas isn't the talent-laden juggernaut that it's annually made out to be. It's just not. I think you have a hard time accepting they won't be making any top-5 or top-10 "young talent" lists anymore. I think you have a hard time accepting they won't be making anybody's top skill position duos or trios lists anymore. I think you have a hard time accepting they won't be making any top-5 OL lists anymore. I've yet to hear one non-Dallas fan say that team got better since the end of your season. I've yet to hear ANY fan say that we didn't get better since the end of our season. I think you have a hard time accepting that it's not, in your eyes, a one-team race anymore. I think you have a hard time accepting that the Eagles now have a better roster, top to bottom, than the Cowboys do.

[Matts4313]

4 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said:

Your best WR

Nah, Lamb surpassed him. He was the best route runner, but he also was the most mentally weak. 

4 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said:

An OG that was solid last year and better than Cowboys fans made him out to be. Yeah, he commit a lot of penalties, but you might wanna look into your 1st round pick. He has the same problem and he probably isn't gonna be better than Williams was last year.

He sucked.

4 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said:

Collins is a good RT lol. Steele is solid on the right side, but he's more of a very good back-up tackle than someone you want starting. 

Bruh, if our OL was so amazing, why did we promptly blow it up after extremely poor play for half a season. Collins had 1 great season, and a bunch of meh seasons. He is also permanently damaged. Which is why he got benched.

4 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said:

lol

I mean, Quinn our DC said it "Micah Parsons clone". Brian Baldinger put out a video review and said it. The NFL said it. Some more quotes from various drafting sites:

"Williams has elite production and physical traits."

"With the departure of Randy Gregory this offseason, Williams adds a dynamic and athletic pass-rushing specialist to the Dallas defense, that should be able to fit into the rotation sooner than later. "

"Williams’ athletic profile aligns closely with two prospects drafted ahead of him, Boye Mafe at 40th overall to Seattle and Kavon Thibodeaux at five to the Giants. The Cowboys never had a shot at Thibodeaux, but Williams is the more bendy and dynamic rusher to Mafe as a clear scheme fit."

"

Round 2, No. 56: Sam Williams, EDGE, Mississippi

Three things to know: 

• One of the best pass-rushers in 2021
• Off-the-field red flags caused draft slide
• Will immediately challenge to replace Randy Gregory

Notable athleticism comps: Kayvon Thibodeaux, Shaq Lawson, Jermaine Johnson II
Playing style: Twitchy finesse"

4 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said:

Never should've given him that deal to begin with.

Obvi

4 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said:

Yet you are 3-10 in the playoffs in the past 25 years and have never made it past the divisional round.... lol

What do "contention" mean homie? We were in contention for a playoff spot most years. Contention doesnt mean "make" nor does it mean "what happens after you make it".

[TheRealMcCoy]

4 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Nah, Lamb surpassed him. He was the best route runner, but he also was the most mentally weak. 

Not even.... Amari was drawing coverages away from Ceedee, Michael and Ced to make live easier on them.

Teams knew who the Cowboys best WR was and treated him as such.

He's not only a better route runner than Lamb, but has much better hands as well.

Ceedee needs to clean up his drops. He dropped 8 passes as a rookie and dropped 8 passes last year too.

I wouldn't even rank Ceedee as a top 3 WR in the NFCE. He's behind Terry McLaurin, DeVonta Smith, and AJ Brown.

7 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

He sucked.

Okay.

8 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Bruh, if our OL was so amazing, why did we promptly blow it up after extremely poor play for half a season. Collins had 1 great season, and a bunch of meh seasons. He is also permanently damaged. Which is why he got benched.

$$$

9 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Round 2, No. 56: Sam Williams, EDGE, Mississippi

I follow the draft a lot more closely than you do and have known who he is for a long time. 

He's not a better pass rusher than Randy and he's more of an explosive linear athlete. 

You probably reached on him by like a round cause he was Quinn's guy. I would've had him more around your 88th overall pick where you took Tolbert, but Quinn didn't wanna risk losing his guy and I can understand that.

I follow multiple Cowboys content creators and they had Williams as a late 3rd to day 3 prospect.

11 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

What do "contention" mean homie? We were in contention for a playoff spot most years. Contention doesnt mean "make" nor does it mean "what happens after you make it".

Yeah, Cowboys will be in contention. Not that hard to do in our division. Eagles have been in contention most years since 2000 too.

We are the most competent teams in this division over the past 20+ years, despite the Giants having somehow the most SBs in that timespan lol.