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It's an awful, awful trade...Kyrie Irving is a transcendent talent...we neither got transcendent talent back immediately or the ability to get a transcendent talent in the future imo as that draft pick will not be worth a lot when people realize how non transcendent Michael Porter Jr. and Marvin Bagley are...

How do we not get either Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum in this deal...Danny Ainge got us good...and will have the top team in the east after Bron leaves...

Thank you Dan Gilbert for firing David Griffin a year after he won the title and for not giving kyrie's closest mentor Phil Hamby and the other assistant coaches new contracts immediately after they won the title and instead penny pinching and waiting until the day of the season to reup CHAMPIONSHIP WINNING ASSISTANT COACHES to their new contracts.

My cousin is friends with Kyrie's old girlfriend and said kyrie and all the players including Ty lue were pissed about Dan Gilbert snubbing the coaches like that...that's where it all started....David Griffin made a fuss and wanted to be president of BBall operations so in the future he would have the power to sign his championship coaches to new contracts right away in order to keep the positive vibes and momentum in the building going...a year later David Griffin was canned....kyrie irving traded...and Dan Gilbert wants us to think all is well b/c they got a shiny draft pick and a 29 point guard...

No one follows the nba closely or they would know that IT has a terrible hip injury that just yesterday Ainge and Stevens said was taking longer than expected to rehab. The hip is a major fulcrum for power, speed, and quickness which is the whole game for a 5ft 9 point guard.

With IT's injury, we did not get enough. If he sits out a major portion of the year due to surgery this deal makes no sense at all....When people come to realize this, they will understand that we got fleeced. The best player and the youngest player in this deal is leaving our team. A player 5 years older, less talented, smaller, needed a max contract in the future, with a hip injury that is central to his skill is coming to us with the prospective top 5 pick as the nets are predicted to be better than the Bulls, Hawks, and Magic. Only the top 2 picks get the franchise players in Porter Jr. and Bagley.

Kyrie Irving is the top finisher in the entire league at the rim. This has been said by numerous hall of famers and nba experts. He's 25 years old. Has the best handles in the league according to most. Is a 40% 3pt shooter as of recent and is big time in the clutch hitting the biggest shot in finals history with a high degree of difficulty. There is not a player to ever be in the nba like that to hit the trade market....

What we get in return is a 28 yr old soon to be 29 pg with less size, less ability to create on his own, a worse defender than kyrie, a substantially worse 3pt shooter, and a player that has to get next years max which will be at least 12 mil/yr above Kyrie's current max contract thereby pushing our cap number even higher.

We get a trash throw-away center who won't be in the league long

Jae Crowder who everyone is talking about his defense but forget in the playoffs this year the guy couldn't hit an open shot and celtics fans and broadcasters said had the "playoff yips" a guy not mentally tough in the playoffs that will threaten an opposing defense

And lastly a potential top 2 pick which is said to be Michael Porter Jr. or Marvin Bagley both of which are not franchise players as Porter Jr. is more Danillo Gallinari than Kevin Durant and Bagley has no offensive game and is more like an Andre Drummond...the top pick next year won't be close to Tatum, Fultz, or Lonzo...

If Jayson Tatum was in the deal, I could live with what the cavs got back because you get a special transcendent player...

As the trade is constituted, we got no transcendent talents...and Michael Porter Jr or Marvin Bagley are not it...they are decent players....if next year was a kevin durant type draft or a draft like this year maybe I'd be upset but eventually accept the deal...

Saying that we won or we got a haul is madness in my mind...

Flash forward to tomorrow when all these cavs fans realize Isaiah thomas my not start the year and may come back a step slow at 5ft 9 next year...lol...then their opinions will change...

 

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1 minute ago, sdrawkcab321 said:

No I want no part of boogie and his anger. He would be kicked out of every playoff game. 

A lot of folks said the same thing about Rasheed Wallace too.

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14 minutes ago, Bucketheadsdad said:

Unprotected #1 pick from Brooklyn.  That is a big deal.  Thomas is a FA at the end of the year.  

Got younger, deepened your bench, got younger in the future.  

Who knows what 18-19 holds with regards to one of the GOAT, but the young GM has done a decent job in restocking our stake in the draft.

Well done, Mr. Altman.  

Thomas and Rose make a decent 2-headed PG combo.  If anyone is going to help Kay Felder learn how to incorporate his talents in the NBA, it might just be someone else that he can look at ........ eye to eye. :) 

it's only a big deal if in an upcoming Melo,Wade, Bosh, Bron draft or a Kevin Durant draft, or Tatum, Lonzo, Fultz draft...

Doesn't mean anything in this upcoming draft....that's how the nba is

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12 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said:

Kay's gone IMO. We dont have enough roster spots. I hope Calderon is gone with him. 

I don't know.  I do think Calderon could be expendable, but Felder's youth might still be on his side.  

I think the addition of Crowder precludes us from bringing back Derrick Williams, however.  (although, if possible, I'd much prefer him to be the last man on the bench, rather than James Jones or the One-Day Wonder, Dahntay Jones.)  

 

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1 minute ago, Mind Character said:

it's only a big deal if in an upcoming Melo,Wade, Bosh, Bron draft or a Kevin Durant draft, or Tatum, Lonzo, Fultz draft...

Doesn't mean anything in this upcoming draft....that's how the nba is

Or if it is traded for a stud.

And you're acting as if we went out looking to trade Irving.  He demanded a trade and it went public.  We had minimal leverage and landed a similar player, the two way wing we needed and arguably the most desirable pick in the league.

And if Irving is such a transcended stud, how come he can't win a game without LBJ in the lineup or keep a lead?  

Its also humorous to see someone crap on IT for his injuries while overlooking the fact Kyrie has played 1 full season without missing significant time.

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3 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Does anyone think that pick is on the move?  

Part of a package for Melo?

if they trade that pick for melo or anything...I will personally start a revolt against the cavs

that would be nuts...

now Melo and Kristaps Porzingus then I'm fine but you don't trade a potential top 2 pick for a player in the last 2 years of productivity like Melo...

I'd trade that pick for Paul George, Demarcus Cousins, Anthony Davis, Porzingus...those are the elite players that would be worth it...Bucks will never move Giannis......

I'd even trade the pick for Ben Simmons and Jahlil Okafor and a pick...I believe Simmons is a 1000 times better than Michael Porter Jr who I've seen up close play a lot in AAU...

We have to flip this pick for a player or players that cause Bron to resign....

 

If that happens, we won the trade...

 

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Cleveland fans taking a dump on Gilbert crack me up.

He's literally the only owner since 1964 to bring a title to Cleveland and allows his GM to operate with a blank check. 

Griffin was cool, but the collective of the forum could have done about as well. Winning is easy when you inherit a number one overall pick, LBJ decides to sign as a free agent and your predecessor left you with a slew of assets.

I guess I think things could be worse than Gilbert.  Anyone remember Gordon Gund?

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Just now, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Or if it is traded for a stud.

And you're acting as if we went out looking to trade Irving.  He demanded a trade and it went public.  We had minimal leverage and landed a similar player, the two way wing we needed and arguably the most desirable pick in the league.

And if Irving is such a transcended stud, how come he can't win a game without LBJ in the lineup or keep a lead?  

Its also humorous to see someone crap on IT for his injuries while overlooking the fact Kyrie has played 1 full season without missing significant time.

Yeah...I agree with the trade for a stud idea

Kyrie's injury history is irrelevant b/c we're talking about today at the time of the trade....At the time of the trade, IT has a hip injury that hasnt healed since the Eastern Conference finals. He still may need surgery if the check up scheduled in September doesn't look good. Hip surgery means he would be out the entire year.

It;s about who is healhty now..Kyrie is not injured now...and his injuries were the type that would heal...hip injuries often linger........IT may miss half the season or come back sub par before then, or miss the entire season.

I love IT as a player...but if he's not on the court or comes back sub par...how does that help us win?

 

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4 minutes ago, Mind Character said:

if they trade that pick for melo or anything...I will personally start a revolt against the cavs

that would be nuts...

now Melo and Kristaps Porzingus then I'm fine but you don't trade a potential top 2 pick for a player in the last 2 years of productivity like Melo...

I'd trade that pick for Paul George, Demarcus Cousins, Anthony Davis, Porzingus...those are the elite players that would be worth it...Bucks will never move Giannis......

I'd even trade the pick for Ben Simmons and Jahlil Okafor and a pick...I believe Simmons is a 1000 times better than Michael Porter Jr who I've seen up close play a lot in AAU...

We have to flip this pick for a player or players that cause Bron to resign....

 

If that happens, we won the trade...

 

Not for Melo straight up, as part of a package.

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1 minute ago, Mind Character said:

Yeah...I agree with the trade for a stud idea

Kyrie's injury history is irrelevant b/c we're talking about today at the time of the trade....At the time of the trade, IT has a hip injury that hasnt healed since the Eastern Conference finals. He still may need surgery if the check up scheduled in September doesn't look good. Hip surgery means he would be out the entire year.

It;s about who is healhty now..Kyrie is not injured now...and his injuries were the type that would heal...hip injuries often linger........IT may miss half the season or come back sub par before then, or miss the entire season.

I love IT as a player...but if he's not on the court or comes back sub par...how does that help us win?

 

Again, the Cavs didn't push for this trade, Irving did.

Was there a better deal on the table or should they have just brought him to camp and let the situation fester into the season?

What was the better option?

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6 minutes ago, MSURacerDT55 said:

Lmao at Kyrie being the man in Boston. IT was a leader of men, Kyrie, not so much

Good thing Kyrie isn't a leader, he may lead them clear off the edge of the earth.

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42 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Again, the Cavs didn't push for this trade, Irving did.

Was there a better deal on the table or should they have just brought him to camp and let the situation fester into the season?

What was the better option?

The better option was to not lowball your championship coaches after they won a title to the point that the whole team questioned the owners committment...the coaches didn't sing their contracts until the day of the season. Kyrie's mentor coach Phil started to doubt Gilbert and so did the rest of the team...this was reported by many. Then you fire David Griffin...the option was not to make such terrible decisions so you don't get in a situation where Kyrie wants a trade. The whole "Kyrie doesn't want to play with lebron" is a Dan Gilbert media fabrication. Kyrie doesn't want to play for an organization led by dan gilbert who lowballed his mentor and friend, fired the person that was supposed to be the next pat riley figure head....there's no stability and no confidence that the execs could help kyrie win in a sustainable way in the future...

45 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

Cleveland fans taking a dump on Gilbert crack me up.

He's literally the only owner since 1964 to bring a title to Cleveland and allows his GM to operate with a blank check. 

Griffin was cool, but the collective of the forum could have done about as well. Winning is easy when you inherit a number one overall pick, LBJ decides to sign as a free agent and your predecessor left you with a slew of assets.

I guess I think things could be worse than Gilbert.  Anyone remember Gordon Gund?

No...you're hilarious. And you willingly eat up whatever thoughts you're fed...if you think Dan Gilbert deserves praise you're not paying attention to what's relevant imo....What choice did Lebron give Gilbert when he returned...any NBA owner would've done the exact same thing if Lebron came back...the kevin love thing was done by griffin and bron..

It doesn't matter if some billionaire spent pennies out of his pocket versus another owner spending quarters...

Dan Gilbert is worth over $6 billion dollars running a business that mostly took advantage of everyday working people being pushed underwater with their mortgages during repeated economic recessions and took advantage of desperate families in detroit for years before he made his way to cleveland....

NBA arenas are subsidized by the taxpayers such that in the end these billionaires have a building that generates tons of revenue for sometimes literally nothing: http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/12/is_quicken_loans_arena_overhau_1.html

What they give back to the people is entertainment which is a nice opiate for which they have to pay money for...the people don't get back any money for what their taxpayers provide.

The informed call that welfare for billionaires where what they put in pales in comparison to what they get back...the opposite is true for the tax payer

1 billion dollars is 1,000 millions. So, dan gilbert has roughly 6,000 millions of dollars. We don't know how much is liquid or tied up assets, but we know that he owns outright over 7 houses, 2 of which are overseas, 2 private planes, more cars than the days of the week, and that's just public record.

Let's look at the luxury tax and roster payout for the cavs: The Cavaliers had a massive $121 million payroll in 2016-17 and face a $45 million luxury tax. That's 166 million dollars.

If we ask ourselves, what percentage of 6,000 million dollars or (6 billion dollars) is what he spent on the Cavs payroll. That's roughly 2.7 percent of his estimated net wealth.

That doesn't factor in off shore wealth, new unreported casino holdings, his power in economic decision making and/or influence over an entire city market.

If a person makes $30,000 a year 2.7% of that is $810

If a person makes $60,000 a year 2.7% of that is $1,620

 

So, we should commend Dan Gilbert for what? Would we be praising a person that has $30,000 but owns over 7 houses, 2 of which are overseas, 2 private planes, more cars than the days of the week, etc if that person gave up $810 dollars to keep one of the greatest players in nba history in cleveland and on a championship caliber team?

Dan Gilbert doesn't pay ish..he doesn't do ish but get in the way of trades and mess stuff up...in fact the revenues alone pay for whatever he would've paid in luxury tax or for David Griffin....it's literally quarters in his pocket...in fact his ownership affords him power and influence that cannot be quantified by dollars and cents...We haven't even factored in all his other yearly revenue...

He's the one that drove Lebron out in the first place...Lebron is the one along with David Griffin that put together the team that won the championship...

Just b/c Dan Gilbert signs his name on a check for what amounts to nothing to him...doesn't mean he did anything at all...in fact he was the reason Lebron left the first time and his incompetence at letting a true basketball exec run the team like all the great franchises is causing Lebron to leave again. Lebron wants sustainable winning...Kolby Altman is unproven; David Griffin could've have taken the helm at such a Pat Riley type position and worked with Lebron so he would basically retire herer...

 

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