Joe Barry'd again

[Rainmaker90]

24 minutes ago, Brit Pack said:

I'm not defending him per se. I'm fighting the idea you have a bigger bias towards him than I do. And I don't really actually care whether he was nice to me or not. 

Your analysis is devoid of context and you repeatedly quote meaningless statistics while ignoring the most important ones.

You sir are the blind one here!

Long live the Queen

How does the ‘knighting ‘ process work? And how do we nominate Joey B for it?

[Brit Pack]

16 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Points per game allowed relies on so many damn factors in a bend but don't break scheme. If you don't get those factors on a weekly basis in this scheme, it's a putrid scheme. 

 

Well he has got those factors down over the last 17 games, so he must be doing something right, no?

Why is YPC so important in a determining factor of how good a defence is?

Chicago 2nd in YPC allowed but 27th in Points Per Game
Detroit 6th in YPC allowed but 23rd in Points Per Game
Buffalo 29th in allowed YPC but 5th in Points Per Game
KC 28th in YPC allowed but 3rd in Points Per Game

I don't see the correlation to great defences here I'm afraid. 
 

[Mr. Fussnputz]

DOA this, DOA that. Pst. That's not how the coach hiring process works. It's not what you know it's who you know. Barry is MLF's bff. Unless Barry forgets to send MLF a birthday card, he's back. 

Edited December 4, 2023 by Mr. Fussnputz
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[incognito_man]

1 minute ago, Brit Pack said:

Well he has got those factors down over the last 17 games, so he must be doing something right, no?

Why is YPC so important in a determining factor of how good a defence is?

Chicago 2nd in YPC allowed but 27th in Points Per Game
Detroit 6th in YPC allowed but 23rd in Points Per Game
Buffalo 29th in allowed YPC but 5th in Points Per Game
KC 28th in YPC allowed but 3rd in Points Per Game

I don't see the correlation to great defences here I'm afraid. 
 

this is why i like DVOA

More than one way to succeed on defense, and, in the end, the only thing that matters is exactly what DVOA ultimately measures:

how likely was the team to win before and after the play?

[Brit Pack]

10 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said:

How does the ‘knighting ‘ process work? And how do we nominate Joey B for it?

Kiss the ring and suck something at the same time while playing a Benjamin Britten piece on the piano

[incognito_man]

21 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

That PPG allowed by itself doesn't matter, it's how you get there.

Newsflash, there's more than just you in this thread.

The last line is something you drug up in your own head. Now move the **** on.

 

this thread has been several people pointing out (via various methods) the recent improved play by the defense and asking "what might this mean??"

and then you and Ray got all defensive and emotional and invented arguments to argue against. You both are feigning outrage for no reason.

[beekay414]

7 minutes ago, Brit Pack said:

Well he has got those factors down over the last 17 games, so he must be doing something right, no?

Why is YPC so important in a determining factor of how good a defence is?

Chicago 2nd in YPC allowed but 27th in Points Per Game
Detroit 6th in YPC allowed but 23rd in Points Per Game
Buffalo 29th in allowed YPC but 5th in Points Per Game
KC 28th in YPC allowed but 3rd in Points Per Game

I don't see the correlation to great defences here I'm afraid. 
 

Packers - 29th in attempts, 29th in yards, 18th in TDs, 26th in YPC
Chiefs - 7th in attempts, 19th in yards, 5th in TDs, 28th in YPC
Bills - 9th in attempts, 20th in yards, 10th in TDs, 29th in YPC

Spot the difference as to why it's a problem in our defense and not theirs.

[Packerraymond]

30 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

what are the sides?

Do you think I'm arguing to keep Barry? or anyone is for that matter?

you're inventing arguments in your head that don't actually exist...

What are we arguing then? What has Joe Barry changed? He still sits back in 2 high and his run defense cant stop anything. We're giving props for last night? That was a hell of a time for LVN to step up and get back in the game. Incredible read and ball skills by Nixon. Gary, Preston and Clark have been elite the last 3 weeks. 

We're calling the same scheme and our players are winning in a clutch moment, but you can see plain as day by the lack of possessions under 6 plays last night that this scheme has a very very fine line between success and fail and it usually requires a great INDIVIDUAL effort from a play to cover up for the fact that a guy is probably open or going to run over us somewhere.

[beekay414]

9 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

this thread has been several people pointing out (via various methods) the recent improved play by the defense and asking "what might this mean??"

and then you and Ray got all defensive and emotional and invented arguments to argue against. You both are feigning outrage for no reason.

Almost 2.4 points per drive, including a kneel down drive (so really 2.7) isn't improvement. That's the point we've been arguing but you guys swear up and down that because they only scored 19 points it was. Nevermind the fact that they did it in 7 drives, punted once, converted nearly 70% of their 3rd downs and averaged nearly 6 YPC. 

I'm trying to figure out how that's considered a good night for a defense?

But yeah, feigning outrage and inventing arguments and whatnot. 

Edited December 4, 2023 by beekay414

[beekay414]

BTW, 2.52 points per drive is the worst rate in the league (Commanders) but yet a 2.7 non-kneel down rate last night was a good night.

[Brit Pack]

9 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Packers - 29th in attempts, 29th in yards, 18th in TDs, 26th in YPC
Chiefs - 7th in attempts, 19th in yards, 5th in TDs, 28th in YPC
Bills - 9th in attempts, 20th in yards, 10th in TDs, 29th in YPC

Spot the difference as to why it's a problem in our defense and not theirs.

How to spin pointless stats 101 here:

Rushing attempts no big deal we are talking the difference between 29th and 9th is 5.5 attempts more a game, just over 1 rush attempt more a quarter.

21.6 difference in yards per game between KC and GB, and 19.6 yards per game between Buffalo and GB. That's about 5 yards a quarter.

And then TDs per game Green Bay at 0.9, Buffalo 0.7 and KC at 0.6. I don't see the statistical significance in that.

That all sounds a lot bigger when you put in rank order vs actual, yards, attempts, tds in a game or by quarter. I don't see how any of this is significant and certainly not as significant as points per game.

So I'm not really seeing a problem here. Besides I'm not saying our defence is better than Buffalo and KC's, I'm just saying our D ain't as bad as being painted to be.

[beekay414]

1 minute ago, Brit Pack said:

So I'm not really seeing a problem here.

 

You also don't understand why points per game as a standalone stat doesn't matter but I can't hold your hand and help you figure that out.

[Rainmaker90]

16 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

BTW, 2.52 points per drive is the worst rate in the league (Commanders) but yet a 2.7 non-kneel down rate last night was a good night.

DVOA bro.

[beekay414]

7 minutes ago, Brit Pack said:

And then TDs per game Green Bay at 0.9, Buffalo 0.7 and KC at 0.6. I don't see the statistical significance in that.

Let me help you out.

One = 15 TDs allowed over 17 games
One = 12 TDs allowed over 17 games
One = 10 TDs allowed over 17 games

Edited December 5, 2023 by beekay414

[beekay414]

4 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said:

DVOA bro.

19 PPGZ