Joe Barry'd again

[Mazrimiv]

1 minute ago, incognito_man said:

it's a valuable tool

it wasn't used as a case for Barry to keep his job. That has always been an invented 'point' you and others feigned outrage over.

it's so weird lol

The outrage wasn't feigned.

[incognito_man]

4 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said:

The outrage wasn't feigned.

Of course it was. 

We're not talking about outrage with Barry. We're talking about the fake outrage with DVOA.

[Packerraymond]

1 minute ago, incognito_man said:

it's a valuable tool

it wasn't used as a case for Barry to keep his job. That has always been an invented 'point' you and others feigned outrage over.

it's so weird lol

Neither of us have time to go back and dig it up, but you absolutely said the trend couldn't be ignored and if it continued Joe Barry was making a case to keep his job. I've never argued that you ever flat out said we needed to keep Barry, but you absolutely aluded to the fact that we were rising in DVOA and that couldn't be ignored or disproven, when in fact @beekay414and I were right that our ranking was artificially improving while our defense was simply luckier and benefiting from injury or a QB just not having his stuff (just like the Giants D benefitted from Love being off Monday). Schatz tweet just is the evidence to prove it.

 

 

[packfanfb]

Still think there's a chance that the Packers pull the plug and fire Barry today, however, even if they do, I expect the announcement to come later today after LaFleur's presser so he can avoid addressing it directly. 

[beekay414]

Just now, Packerraymond said:

Neither of us have time to go back and dig it up, but you absolutely said the trend couldn't be ignored and if it continued Joe Barry was making a case to keep his job. I've never argued that you ever flat out said we needed to keep Barry, but you absolutely aluded to the fact that we were rising in DVOA and that couldn't be ignored or disproven, when in fact @beekay414and I were right that our ranking was artificially improving while our defense was simply luckier and benefiting from injury or a QB just not having his stuff (just like the Giants D benefitted from Love being off Monday). Schatz tweet just is the evidence to prove it.

Context matters until it doesn't

[Packerraymond]

1 minute ago, incognito_man said:

Of course it was. 

We're not talking about outrage with Barry. We're talking about the fake outrage with DVOA.

The outrage isn't over DVOA, we all use it and will continue to. It's with the people who use it to discredit people who know the game because their eyes don't match up to the "flawless" DVOA.

It's the same as RAS, super useful tool, still have to watch the tape.

[incognito_man]

8 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

The outrage isn't over DVOA, we all use it and will continue to. It's with the people who use it to discredit people who know the game because their eyes don't match up to the "flawless" DVOA.

It's the same as RAS, super useful tool, still have to watch the tape.

The outrage has always been misplaced. You're changing the story now that DVOA is aligned with your personal beliefs.

[packfanfb]

While we're talking about getting rid of Barry, the bigger issue we probably need to address is not replacing him with another Fangio cast-off. That scheme is dying across the NFL. 

[incognito_man]

17 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

Context matters until it doesn't

Context always matters. Someday you'll learn this too

[beekay414]

Just now, incognito_man said:

Context always matters. Someday you'll learn this too

lol rich, my man. I'll leave you on your island where you're never wrong. No point in engaging further.

[incognito_man]

4 minutes ago, beekay414 said:

lol rich, my man. I'll leave you on your island where you're never wrong. No point in engaging further.

What am I wrong about?

[MacReady]

I have not once wavered on Barry since the day he was hired.

Not once.

[Rainmaker90]

32 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

Of course it was. 

We're not talking about outrage with Barry. We're talking about the fake outrage with DVOA.

It’s just one method. You say it accounts for everything, which I’m not arguing , but it weighs/quantifies the information to come up with a ranking. 
 

Like some people may say PPG is the best metric to compare defenses so they’d weigh that statistic more , others may be points per drive. DVOA must value some stats more than others to come up with their rankings. I’m not saying it’s bad or good, but it’s not a definite. It’s just one means of measuring. 

[incognito_man]

4 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said:

It’s just one method. You say it accounts for everything, which I’m not arguing , but it weighs/quantifies the information to come up with a ranking. 
 

Like some people may say PPG is the best metric to compare defenses so they’d weigh that statistic more , others may be points per drive. DVOA must value some stats more than others to come up with their rankings. I’m not saying it’s bad or good, but it’s not a definite. It’s just one means of measuring. 

Sure. But my view is it's, by far, the best single comparison metric.

The problem that's very obvious now is some people are ok touting it when it fits their emotional viewpoint but reject it when it doesn't. That's intellectually dishonest.

[Rainmaker90]

2 minutes ago, incognito_man said:

Sure. But my view is it's, by far, the best single comparison metric.

The problem that's very obvious now is some people are ok touting it when it fits their emotional viewpoint but reject it when it doesn't. That's intellectually dishonest.

And that’s fine by me. I just have trouble with you saying everyone who disagreed with you is wrong because DVOA says so. 
 

I will say it again, using one means of measurement to make significant opinions/ actions on something is not the best way to go