KingOfNewYork Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Bobby816 said: 100% I think confidence plays a part. But where is he getting this magical confidence from. Not the fan base. Not the media. Heck not even his teammates. And quite frankly he deserved a lot of what turned on him when he didn’t man up after playing one of the worst games from a QB ever. I mean ever. I don't think he deserved it personally. As for where he'll get it from again we're not psychologists, he'll come in and play. If he plays well everything else will work itself out. Can't get any worse than what it was. As for his teammates, pretty sure I saw multiple guys consoling him after that Jags game. They don't hate him even if you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, Heymangold said: i think bob would be on the phone with his boy matt to make sure hackett is a decent enough dude. "Hey Matt, does Hackett give that 60% we need to be great?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekill08x Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: 100% I think confidence plays a part. But where is he getting this magical confidence from. Not the fan base. Not the media. Heck not even his teammates. And quite frankly he deserved a lot of what turned on him when he didn’t man up after playing one of the worst games from a QB ever. I mean ever. The Steve Young comments were very concerning as well. Came out and said that Mike LaFleur had tough love with him and kept him at an arms length this year. Also stated that Zach essentially needs to be coddled and for someone to tell him "its going to be okay" and "you can do this". QB coach is also an LI guy, specifically a town over and in the same age group. Have mutual friends. Zach is not exactly the prom king of that locker room. Now it could be exaggerated a bit too, but apparently not a great relationship with QB coach and QB either. Devils Advocate: year 3 at BYU was the year that everything clicked for Zach. As awful as he as looked, this is the one thing that I can't help but keep thinking of in the back of my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, ekill08x said: The Steve Young comments were very concerning as well. Came out and said that Mike LaFleur had tough love with him and kept him at an arms length this year. Also stated that Zach essentially needs to be coddled and for someone to tell him "its going to be okay" and "you can do this". QB coach is also an LI guy, specifically a town over and in the same age group. Have mutual friends. Zach is not exactly the prom king of that locker room. Now it could be exaggerated a bit too, but apparently not a great relationship with QB coach and QB either. Devils Advocate: year 3 at BYU was the year that everything clicked for Zach. As awful as he as looked, this is the one thing that I can't help but keep thinking of in the back of my mind. without fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 hours ago, JetsandI said: Well, Carr flunked in McDaniels' system. Outside of NE with TB,what team did well with McDaniels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 Just now, JetsandI said: without fans. Without playing much NFL talent on D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 hours ago, KingOfNewYork said: It’s his philosophy it doesn’t change based on what he has on the other side of the ball. Bowles was the same way that’s why he fired Johnny Morton because he was throwing the ball too much lol. Defensive minded head coaches are very conservative by nature. Rex was the same way. I will agree when we have a good O and he still wants to play this way. Right now it is just an assumption. Let’s also remember Saleh was hired to be a CEO HC. The others, not so much. In this debate, I’ll wait for this team to have the three missing O pieces before crowning Saleh as a D focused HC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Bobby816 said: Without playing much NFL talent on D. Josh Allen was not that good against better teams during his college time. We can pick any reason why a certain qb sucks. lol. In Wilson's case, many scouts were concerned about his ability to lead the ship under scrutiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, xrade said: Outside of NE with TB,what team did well with McDaniels? How about giving Wilson another chance with different OC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted January 18, 2023 Author Share Posted January 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, JetsandI said: Josh Allen was not that good against better teams during his college time. We can pick any reason why a certain qb sucks. lol. In Wilson's case, many scouts were concerned about his ability to lead the ship under scrutiny. Yes Allen is rare though. Of course small school guys have panned out before. But generally it's not dont often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, JetsandI said: How about giving Wilson another chance with different OC? Absolutely. In a year or two. Not before. Zach needs at least a year to mature as a QB and a person. In hindsight, he never should have seen the field in year 1. That is on a the coaching staff. His poor play is in him and the staff. His immaturity is on him. He needs time out of the limelight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 20 minutes ago, xrade said: I will agree when we have a good O and he still wants to play this way. Right now it is just an assumption. Let’s also remember Saleh was hired to be a CEO HC. The others, not so much. In this debate, I’ll wait for this team to have the three missing O pieces before crowning Saleh as a D focused HC. You don’t need to wait lol. These are his words not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 19 minutes ago, JetsandI said: How about giving Wilson another chance with different OC? Only good organizations like the Giants would do such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe56 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, KingOfNewYork said: That's what Denver thought. Much different circumstances though. When Hackett went to Denver, Rodgers was the MVP and the Packers were the #1 seed, much harder to sell that to fans to try and trade him. Now both he and Packers are coming off down years, plus it was the first time Love has flashed some franchise QB potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Am I the only one who feels the world is right with Bobby and KONY having a 4 page debate? I have renewed hope for humanity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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