Greene N White Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 6 hours ago, KingOfNewYork said: Carr completed 58% of his 3rd down passes, 7 touchdowns, 4 picks, took 10 sacks. Wilson complete 50% of his 3rd down passes, 4 touchdowns, 4 picks, took 10 sacks. Other stats that stand out Under 2.5 seconds Carr 61.6%, 11 touchdowns, 7 picks, 80.9 passer rating Wilson 64.8%, 5 touchdowns, 3 picks, 88.6 passer rating Trailing Carr under 2 minutes 41% completions, underr 4 minutes 38% completions Wilson under 2 minutes 63% completions, under 4 minutes 64% completions First down Carr 61% Wilson 60% Completed Air Yards Carr 6.4 Wilson 6.3 Intended Air Yards Carr 9.3 Wilson 9.2 Air Yards Differential Carr -2.9 Wilson -2.9 INT% Carr 2.7% Wilson 2.8% Carr beats him out slightly in most areas but the additional passing metrics above show there isn't much disparity. Where Carr helps himself likely is knowing when to hit the checkdown (does wonders for a completion percentage). The biggest difference is Carr simply played more but the numbers are the numbers. Obviously, we'll have a better assessment after watching some film. You're seriously comparing the two? Take ANY season from Derek Carr's career and it's arguably the best QB season we've had in franchise history. I'm not even joking. Aside from Fitzpatrick year you could take Carr's absolute worst NFL season and it would be the best or at very worst, 2nd best statistical performance we've ever had at QB. We could go as far as to compare their first 2 seasons in the league if you'd like. Carr thru 2 NFL Seasons: 32 Starts 7257 passing yards, 53 TD, 25 int, 60% completion Over a 17 game season this is 3842 yards, 27 td, 13 int Zach Wilson: 22 Starts 4022 Passing yards, 15 td, 18 int, 55% completion Over a 17 game season this is 3107 yards, 11 td, 13 int Derek Carr's top receiver in 2014? Andre Holmes. He really didn't have much of anything around him. They got him amari cooper after that just like we got zach Garrett wilson and guess what? He improved, unlike Zach. Oh it's just 2 years right? In year 3 Carr had a legitimate shot at MVP until he broke his leg at the end of the season. He finished 3rd in voting. You're out of your mind if you think he could even come close to getting MVP consideration in year 3. In order for zach wilson to even be CLOSE as good as derek carr it would take an absolute miracle. Who you should really be comparing him to is another raiders QB by the name of Jemarcus Russell thru 2 years Here are Wilson's #s once again: 22 Starts 4022 Passing yards, 15 td, 18 int, 55% completion Over a 17 game season this is 3107 yards, 11 td, 13 int, 8-14 record Jamarcus Russell thru 2 years: 16 Starts 2795 Yards, 15 TDs, 12 INT, 54% completion, 5-12 record 54% Completion Over a 17 Game season this is 2970 yards, 16 TD, 13 INT And mind you this is in an era where NFL teams passed FAR less. Russell's #1 WR at that time? Johnnie Lee Higgins whoever the hall that is. Wilson is approaching all time bust territory. There has not been a single qb in nfl history that has looked this bad thru 2 years and went on to do anything to my knowledge. Comparing him to Carr is absolutely wild 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Greene N White said: You're seriously comparing the two? Take ANY season from Derek Carr's career and it's arguably the best QB season we've had in franchise history. I'm not even joking. Aside from Fitzpatrick year you could take Carr's absolute worst NFL season and it would be the best or at very worst, 2nd best statistical performance we've ever had at QB. We could go as far as to compare their first 2 seasons in the league if you'd like. Carr thru 2 NFL Seasons: 32 Starts 7257 passing yards, 53 TD, 25 int, 60% completion Over a 17 game season this is 3842 yards, 27 td, 13 int Zach Wilson: 22 Starts 4022 Passing yards, 15 td, 18 int, 55% completion Over a 17 game season this is 3107 yards, 11 td, 13 int Derek Carr's top receiver in 2014? Andre Holmes. He really didn't have much of anything around him. They got him amari cooper after that just like we got zach Garrett wilson and guess what? He improved, unlike Zach. Oh it's just 2 years right? In year 3 Carr had a legitimate shot at MVP until he broke his leg at the end of the season. He finished 3rd in voting. You're out of your mind if you think he could even come close to getting MVP consideration in year 3. In order for zach wilson to even be CLOSE as good as derek carr it would take an absolute miracle. Who you should really be comparing him to is another raiders QB by the name of Jemarcus Russell thru 2 years Here are Wilson's #s once again: 22 Starts 4022 Passing yards, 15 td, 18 int, 55% completion Over a 17 game season this is 3107 yards, 11 td, 13 int, 8-14 record Jamarcus Russell thru 2 years: 16 Starts 2795 Yards, 15 TDs, 12 INT, 54% completion, 5-12 record 54% Completion Over a 17 Game season this is 2970 yards, 16 TD, 13 INT And mind you this is in an era where NFL teams passed FAR less. Russell's #1 WR at that time? Johnnie Lee Higgins whoever the hall that is. Wilson is approaching all time bust territory. There has not been a single qb in nfl history that has looked this bad thru 2 years and went on to do anything to my knowledge. Comparing him to Carr is absolutely wild Chill Out. He answered my question. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Greene N White said: You're seriously comparing the two? Take ANY season from Derek Carr's career and it's arguably the best QB season we've had in franchise history. I answered a question. Used Zach’s numbers a benchmark and as you can see their metrics were close in a ton of areas. Carr beat out Zach in some, Zach beat him out in others. As for your second point I’ll just point to last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 58 minutes ago, JetsandI said: Chill Out. He answered my question. He also disregarded how close the metrics are from last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greene N White Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: He also disregarded how close the metrics are from last season. What metrics? Your cherry picked stats to somehow make it look like Zach Wilson wasn’t the worst qb in the league when anyone with a set of eyes could see he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 hours ago, KingOfNewYork said: Lmao Him and I are destined to do this forever. And I am destined to feel better about myself because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Greene N White said: What metrics? Your cherry picked stats to somehow make it look like Zach Wilson wasn’t the worst qb in the league when anyone with a set of eyes could see he was. I didn’t cherry pick anything. Those are their next gen stats I listed them all. Along with their 3rd down efficiency, which Zach was worse in. I added their <2.5 which is important since we want the QB getting the ball out quick, it showed when Zach was quick and decisive he was better. He was also better when trailing, which is important. Someone already posted Carr’s under pressure stats so no need to post those. I mean the numbers are the numbers and like I said I won’t really have a clear understanding until I look at his throws, which I haven’t yet. And I’m sure you won’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrade Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 KONY, do you think Carr would be a better QB for this team in 2023 than we currently have? How about in 2024? Assuming Lamar, Brady and Rodgers are not part of the Jets plans who would you sign to start at QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Also showing that he was more efficient in under 2.5 seconds isn’t cherry picking. It’s what every fan wanted from him because he was so good when he was quick and decisive. That should be the goal, to get him doing that more. Along with giving him a clean pocket, where his numbers were also better. I understand those aren’t solutions y’all want to consider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsfan4life51 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 29 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: Also showing that he was more efficient in under 2.5 seconds isn’t cherry picking. It’s what every fan wanted from him because he was so good when he was quick and decisive. That should be the goal, to get him doing that more. Along with giving him a clean pocket, where his numbers were also better. I understand those aren’t solutions y’all want to consider. Any chance do they have splits or game logs? Would love to see if those numbers differed pre Pats and post Pats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 10 minutes ago, jetsfan4life51 said: Any chance do they have splits or game logs? Would love to see if those numbers differed pre Pats and post Pats. Let me see what I can find. You want pre first Pats game or the 2nd one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, KingOfNewYork said: Let me see what I can find. You want pre first Pats game or the 2nd one? pre lousy game for sure. lol. Edited January 19, 2023 by JetsandI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greene N White Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 45 minutes ago, KingOfNewYork said: Also showing that he was more efficient in under 2.5 seconds isn’t cherry picking. It’s what every fan wanted from him because he was so good when he was quick and decisive. That should be the goal, to get him doing that more. Along with giving him a clean pocket, where his numbers were also better. I understand those aren’t solutions y’all want to consider. Yeah but nfl teams know the second they send pressure he crumbles. That is unacceptable at this level of football. We’re talking about a grown man playing at the professional level here not a kid playing high school ball. I assume you watched the jags game and saw what happened right? And how it was all the lines fault? But here’s the thing streveler came in the game but didn’t get sacked once if I recall correctly. I’m not defending the line whatsoever but it can mean 2 things. Either #1 the line didn’t want to block for him which wouldn’t be shocking but I don’t think that’s it. Or #2 he just completely lost all confidence. Imo after the 3 pick New England game Zach was completely second guessing himself all season and was never the same. he had opportunities to get out of the pocket in that Jacksonville game but chose to just lay down when pressure came at him. His ability to escape pressure was supposed to be one of his strengths but I’m telling you after watching that Jacksonville game I truly believe it’s over and there’s no coming back. But as a jets fan for the past 20 years of my life I was so frustrated at his performance that I would be truly upset if there was any possibility of him starting next year (which I honestly believe there isn’t). You weren’t screaming at the tv during that game? It was an embarrassment watching him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 55 and 54 in completion percentage in first two years for Wilson is not good. Daniel Jones the joke owns 61 as his lowest pct in NFL. Carr or Garoppolo can help with it. Even Jackson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted January 19, 2023 Author Share Posted January 19, 2023 How about just watching the guys. Wilson rarely looks like he belongs on the field. Carr is a QB in the top 10-15 range. Where he gives you confidence under center that he knows what he’s doing. And produces. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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