Go_Giants Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, redsoxsuck05 said: Do we win this game without Adoree Jackson? Cousin moved the ball on us at will, but they couldn't get the big play so every down was conpetitive. No. This is a different secondary when Xavier and Adoree are in it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFlyZone Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, redsoxsuck05 said: I'm not sure regression to the mean is the correct concept, but this whole clutch one-score magic isn't very replicable. You flipped the coin and got heads 11 times in a row in the RS. Not applicable to a coin flip, let alone other comparisons to luck. Close games were largely due to their defense. There’s context behind their wins that we can explore instead of just saying it was lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, NoFlyZone said: Hasn’t been proven at all. One loss doesn’t erase 13 wins. Think if you’re a Vikings fan you should be very encouraged. They just need to fix that defense… can’t imagine they don’t have a different coordinator in play next season. That defense was the reason games were as close as they were. It really wasn’t that mysterious or anything attributed to just luck. But football fans are cliche and basic… so this conversation has no chance to go anywhere. You say these things like the Vikings offense and Vikings defense are two different teams, lol. The defense has be suspect all year, that’s why they got the “fraud” label. And yeah, that proved to be the case, giving up 31 to Daniel Jones and a bunch of JAGs catching the ball. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFlyZone Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said: W/L in one score games. Pretty well documented that teams ebb and flow when it comes to that, without a ton of rhyme or reason. There is rhyme and rhythm here, though. It’s just easier for people to say it’s random instead of actually thinking about the actual relevant football that was played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazStandard Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, stl4life07 said: Cousins chokes again. No he didnt play a horrible game. The defense wasnt stopping a cold but that last play sums up Cousins. 4th and 6 with the game on the line and he throws a 3yd complete way short of the first. He just cant get it done when it counts. Makes me think of that Rams game on TNF when he was lighting up the Rams up until the 4th quarter when his team had to have a TD late in the game and just like clock work Cousins fumbles the game away literally. He just cant get the job done. Congrats to the Giants. They played a 13 win team on the road with the only real weapon on offense was Barkley and won. The Vikings made Jones look like Mahomes out there. Its going to be interesting next week against Philly. Playing a team 3x in one season is tough. Regardless of what happens next week its definitely a successful season and Barkley and Jones both deserves contracts. Get Jones some receivers and tight ends PLEASE. The Giants should be in the D-Hop sweepstakes like as soon as the trading window for players come open. Trade for D-Hop and IF they can somehow keep their first round pick draft Boutte from LSU. That dude can ball out but his stock dropped from the down season he had. D-Hop and Boutte as receivers with Barkley in the backfield is enough weapons for Jones to work with and thrive even more. With a collapsing pocket and pressure in his face virtually from the snap, like they had been all game. Wherever Cousins threw it, the play was pretty much won the moment Dexter Lawrence beat the center. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jetzger said: And honestly it’s still hard to judge him when he’s working with such world beaters as Richie James and Darius Slayton. Hopefully you guys get a full season of Wan’Dale next year. Exactly. Jones only gets to play with half the field because he has no downfield threat. And yet, our boy can make the clutch 3rd down throws just past the sticks in tight windows when necessary (the one to Hodgins). We need a generic X like Quentin Johnson in the worst way, and hopefully his no-show in the championship plus all the QBs in the first pushes him down to us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, NoFlyZone said: Hasn’t been proven at all. One loss doesn’t erase 13 wins. Think if you’re a Vikings fan you should be very encouraged. They just need to fix that defense… can’t imagine they don’t have a different coordinator in play next season. That defense was the reason games were as close as they were. It really wasn’t that mysterious or anything attributed to just luck. But football fans are cliche and basic… so this conversation has no chance to go anywhere. Sure it does, that they overachieved and weren't a legitimate 13 win team. Regression to the mean was the perfect description, you don't go 11-0 in close games without substantial luck. They were more lucky than good (not to say they weren't good because they were) and this has been evident all year. Acting like they had some elite O overcoming a terrible D is laughably inaccurate. I don't expect you to admit being wrong so many times but the results speak for themselves. Edited January 16, 2023 by Bullet Club 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFlyZone Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Yin-Yang said: You say these things like the Vikings offense and Vikings defense are two different teams, lol. The defense has be suspect all year, that’s why they got the “fraud” label. And yeah, that proved to be the case, giving up 31 to Daniel Jones and a bunch of JAGs catching the ball. I’m not saying it at all. I was simply saying the offense had to counteract the weakness of their football team… which they largely were effective at doing. But it did lead to close games. Doesn’t mean the outcomes were just lucky and inexplicably heavily in their favor without reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFlyZone Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, ChazStandard said: With a collapsing pocket and pressure in his face virtually from the snap, like they had been all game. Wherever Cousins threw it, the play was pretty much won the moment Dexter Lawrence beat the center. Careful, people don’t like context here. Better stick to cliches and meaningless, empty takes about football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFlyZone Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bullet Club said: Sure it does, that they overachieved and weren't a legitimate 13 win team. Regression to the mean was the perfect description, you don't go 11-0 in close games without substantial luck. They were more lucky than good (not to say they weren't good because they were) and this has been evident all year. I don't expect you to admit being wrong so many times but the results speak for themselves. No, there is nothing substantive behind this idea. It’s just a lazy, empty take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, NoFlyZone said: There is rhyme and rhythm here, though. It’s just easier for people to say it’s random instead of actually thinking about the actual relevant football that was played. Not really. We see it constantly in the league. Look at the Raiders the past two seasons. Or these Vikings. Or the Bills (5-1 in 2020, 0-5 in 2021, 6-3 in 2022). It’s like trying to track fumbles, it’s very up-and-down. Not saying it’s completely random and that there are no factors at all that play into it, but when you increase the sample size you start to see a trend. You can contextualize this season one at a time, but league wide it’s been demonstrated that teams pretty much get wonky with their W/L there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 17 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said: W/L in one score games. Pretty well documented that teams ebb and flow when it comes to that, without a ton of rhyme or reason. good luck with this. he doesn't understand that concept 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stlducks Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, NoFlyZone said: Careful, people don’t like context here. Better stick to cliches and meaningless, empty takes about football. It seems like you’re the one not liking context here. All year people have said Vikings have been pulling it out looking awful. People said over and over they wouldn’t do it in the playoffs because they are not a legit team, it showed today. Game on the line, play needed and Cousins makes the wrong throw. Story of his playoff career. Edited January 16, 2023 by stlducks 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_Eaglesfan Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Guys the Vikings winning close games at an unprecedented rate had NOTHING to do with luck. It wasn’t lucky at all that JJ had maybe the greatest catch ever on fourth and long and then Josh Allen fumbled the snap in his own end zone. It wasn’t lucky at all lucky the Colts blew the largest lead in NFL history. (Anyone got more of the top of their head?) They just had a really good offense!!!(that couldn’t win a shootout vs Daniel Jones) No luck needed! At all! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minutemancl Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Man, I've got so much to say, that it is has rendered me somewhat speechless. I'll just say this for now- I'm so proud of DJ and Saquon. They both played amazing games and deserve every ounce of joy they get from this win. We're not done yet! Bring it on Philly! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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