General Tso Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/the-nfl-doesnt-appreciate-tight-ends-enough-smart-teams-can-take-advantage Interesting article on the $$ value of tight ends compared to what value they provide on the field. I'm starting to warm up to Michael Mayer at 18 or a slight trade down. Maybe Hock wasn't worth his money, but if Mayer is the blocker he's chalked up to be, he could be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, General Tso said: https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/the-nfl-doesnt-appreciate-tight-ends-enough-smart-teams-can-take-advantage Interesting article on the $$ value of tight ends compared to what value they provide on the field. I'm starting to warm up to Michael Mayer at 18 or a slight trade down. Maybe Hock wasn't worth his money, but if Mayer is the blocker he's chalked up to be, he could be worth it. That's what we thought we were getting with Hock. If we were to go that route, I'd be taking Darnell Washington over Mayer. He's shown to be quite athletic and we know what he is as a blocker - absolutely dominant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: That's what we thought we were getting with Hock. If we were to go that route, I'd be taking Darnell Washington over Mayer. He's shown to be quite athletic and we know what he is as a blocker - absolutely dominant. They're 1a and 1b to me, would welcome either of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 OFF RECV PBLK RBLK RECV PBLK RBLK 1 Kelce 1069 748 28 292 70.0% 2.6% 27.3% 2 Kittle 1022 545 45 431 53.3% 4.4% 42.2% 3 Andrews 847 490 1 352 57.9% 0.1% 41.6% 4 Goedert 935 494 22 419 52.8% 2.4% 44.8% 5 Pruitt 321 84 51 186 26.2% 15.9% 57.9% 6 T Hill 324 127 2 74 39.2% 0.6% 22.8% 7 Freirmuth 743 465 30 248 62.6% 4.0% 33.4% 8 Oknokwo 378 180 14 182 47.6% 3.7% 48.1% 9 Njoku 816 437 44 334 53.6% 5.4% 40.9% 10 Hockenson 1036 638 71 327 61.6% 6.9% 31.6% 11 Pitts 434 223 15 195 51.4% 3.5% 44.9% 12 Waller 345 260 5 80 75.4% 1.4% 23.2% 13 Akins 406 316 10 80 77.8% 2.5% 19.7% 14 Oliver 561 176 32 353 31.4% 5.7% 62.9% 15 Dissly 567 268 45 254 47.3% 7.9% 44.8% 654 363 28 254 53.9% 4.5% 39.1% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 OFF RECV PBLK RBLK RECV PBLK RBLK 1 Tyreek 858 613 0 237 71.4% 0.0% 27.6% 2 ARSB 832 510 1 313 61.3% 0.1% 37.6% 3 Jefferson 1135 773 0 355 68.1% 0.0% 31.3% 4 Adams 1043 655 1 388 62.8% 0.1% 37.2% 5 Diggs 949 695 0 254 73.2% 0.0% 26.8% 6 Brown 1181 702 0 479 59.4% 0.0% 40.6% 7 Kupp 531 347 3 171 65.3% 0.6% 32.2% 8 Lamb 1127 677 0 438 60.1% 0.0% 38.9% 9 Allen 582 415 3 164 71.3% 0.5% 28.2% 10 Chase 983 691 0 286 70.3% 0.0% 29.1% 11 London 819 439 0 380 53.6% 0.0% 46.4% 12 Wilson 882 612 2 263 69.4% 0.2% 29.8% 13 Waddle 844 604 1 235 71.6% 0.1% 27.8% 14 Olave 607 450 0 157 74.1% 0.0% 25.9% 15 Cooper 977 602 0 374 61.6% 0.0% 38.3% 890 586 1 300 66.2% 0.1% 33.2% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 OFFENSIVE SNAPS: 890 vs 654 = WR's are on the field for 236 snaps more in total than TE's RECEIVING SNAPS: 586 (66.2%)vs 363 (53.9%) = WR's are on the field in a receiving role 222 more snaps (+12.4%) over TE's PASS BLOCK: 1 vs 28 = WR's are on the field for 27 snaps less than a TE in a pass blocking role (-4.4%) RUN BLOCK: 300 (33.2%) vs 254 (39.1%) = WR's are on the field for run blocking for 46 more snaps than TE's yet were -5.9% in overall percentage of snaps. WR's are just on the field that much more overall as a potential target instead of being in a blocking role. They're even involved as much or more in blocking as a TE (despite being a lower %). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Karnage84 said: OFFENSIVE SNAPS: 890 vs 654 = WR's are on the field for 236 snaps more in total than TE's RECEIVING SNAPS: 586 (66.2%)vs 363 (53.9%) = WR's are on the field in a receiving role 222 more snaps (+12.4%) over TE's PASS BLOCK: 1 vs 28 = WR's are on the field for 27 snaps less than a TE in a pass blocking role (-4.4%) RUN BLOCK: 300 (33.2%) vs 254 (39.1%) = WR's are on the field for run blocking for 46 more snaps than TE's yet were -5.9% in overall percentage of snaps. WR's are just on the field that much more overall as a potential target instead of being in a blocking role. They're even involved as much or more in blocking as a TE (despite being a lower %). Interesting stats, thanks for looking at that. I think the value is in terms of how defenses are trending and also the money you pay a WR compared to TE vs the snap difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_shadows Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 3 hours ago, General Tso said: They're 1a and 1b to me, would welcome either of them. Would definitely take Darnell over Mayer in a heartbeat... I'm not even sure Mayer deserves to be TE 2 in this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 4 hours ago, rob_shadows said: Would definitely take Darnell over Mayer in a heartbeat... I'm not even sure Mayer deserves to be TE 2 in this draft. Mayer could be TE3 or TE4 - Kincaid, Washington, Musgrave, LaPorta are all in the mix with Mayer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 13 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: Mayer could be TE3 or TE4 - Kincaid, Washington, Musgrave, LaPorta are all in the mix with Mayer. I think for our team, run blocking is pretty important. That's why Mayer and Washington are the tops for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, General Tso said: I think for our team, run blocking is pretty important. That's why Mayer and Washington are the tops for me. Mayer - 82.1 RBLK Washington - 81.3 RBLK Washington - 78.4 PBLK Mayer - 52.8 PBLK Mayer - 91.6 RECV Washington - 78.3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: Mayer - 82.1 RBLK Washington - 81.3 RBLK Washington - 78.4 PBLK Mayer - 52.8 PBLK Mayer - 91.6 RECV Washington - 78.3 Mayer has been comped to Heath Miller and Washington to Mercedes Lewis. Both good players with long careers. I'd take either of those on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_shadows Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Karnage84 said: Mayer - 82.1 RBLK Washington - 81.3 RBLK Washington - 78.4 PBLK Mayer - 52.8 PBLK Mayer - 91.6 RECV Washington - 78.3 Just compare them pushing the sled at the combine, Mayer wasn't bad at all but Washington killed that poor sled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnivolcm Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, rob_shadows said: Just compare them pushing the sled at the combine, Mayer wasn't bad at all but Washington killed that poor sled. Sleds don't push back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_shadows Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Nnivolcm said: Sleds don't push back. True but the tape confirms that Washington is a far superior blocker anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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