whodatOL Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, JetsandI said: @whodatOL How the hell did you do to resize the copy and paste form? Just edited the first post and only copied those collumns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, MKnight82 said: @ny92mike need you to check some formulas for me. On the Contract Extension page, Cells F21 through F25 are always dividing by 5 instead of the selected contract length in cell F12. Did you mean to do that or is that an error? =if(iserror(if(D16=true,IF(F12<=5,F16/F12,F16/5),"")),"",if(D16=true,IF(F12<=5,F16/F12,F16/5),"")) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, whodatOL said: Just edited the first post and only copied those collumns. oh me duh. I thought you somehow resized the original paste. Yeah.. only columns work like champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, JetsandI said: =if(iserror(if(D16=true,IF(F12<=5,F16/F12,F16/5),"")),"",if(D16=true,IF(F12<=5,F16/F12,F16/5),"")) Why is Cell F21 dividing F16 by the number of years, when cell F16 is the original base salary minus the new base salary? I don't understand why F16 is in there at all. I thought that the new cap number should just be the new base salary + the prorated signing bonus plus any existing bonuses. The way it is calculating now is the difference between the original base salary - the new base salary plus new pro rated bonus plus old bonuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Are our resignings / free agent bids already counting against our cap if we put them in? I'm trying to make sense of my money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: Why is Cell F21 dividing F16 by the number of years, when cell F16 is the original base salary minus the new base salary? I don't understand why F16 is in there at all. I thought that the new cap number should just be the new base salary + the prorated signing bonus plus any existing bonuses. The way it is calculating now is the difference between the original base salary - the new base salary plus new pro rated bonus plus old bonuses. You now see it? I wonder if Forge didn't see it some time ago. Rule is iffy but the goal is to not rip old contract out completely to avoid new money. I believe there was a discussion about SB being greater than old 2023 total in new money for new contract but it was crushed. We moved on. Protecting players' welfare is one of top priority. I cant copy and paste the rule but you can copy and paste in the guideline's search box to get there. extension apy & bonus This rule suggests that we can convert either of them if we want to but GTD is out of place so it is difficult to track for qualifying new conversion. Right now, we simply include base salary of 2023, GTD or not for new conversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Forge said: Are our resignings / free agent bids already counting against our cap if we put them in? I'm trying to make sense of my money If you leave them on. yes. All are linked to money on live. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 @ny92mike here's an example: In Washington workbook, I have Kendall Fuller as an example extension. His original Base Salary is $8,500,000, with an existing Pro-Rated Bonus of $3,125,000, Current Cap Number $11,625,000. All of that checks out and looks fine. I entered a new Base Salary of $3,500,000 (Year 1), with a new signing bonus of $30,000,000 over 3 years, or a prorated SB of $10,000,000 per year. On top of this his original pro-rated bonus was $3,125,000. So shouldn't his number cap number be the new Year 1 BS ($3,500,000) + prorated new SB ($10,000,000) + old pro rated bonus ($3,125,000) = $16,625,000? The formula in the workbook doesn't use that math. It takes the original base salary $8,500,000 - new base salary of $3,500,000 for a difference of $5,000,000. It then divides that by 3 for an average of $1,666,667. It then takes the $30 mil new SB for $10 mil + that 3 year difference of base salary average of $1,666,667 + old pro rated bonus (3,125,000) = new prorated of $14,791,667. Then it takes that weird number and adds the new base salary of $3,500,000 showing a cap number of $18,291,667. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jch1911 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Forge said: Are our resignings / free agent bids already counting against our cap if we put them in? I'm trying to make sense of my money I believe so. As long as the bid would be valid, it is projecting your new cap space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Just now, JetsandI said: If you leave them on. yes. All are linked to money on live. Okay, that makes me feel better. I was very confused lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, JetsandI said: You now see it? I wonder if Forge didn't see it some time ago. Rule is iffy but the goal is to not rip old contract out completely to avoid new money. I believe there was a discussion about SB being greater than old 2023 total in new money for new contract but it was crushed. We moved on. Protecting players' welfare is one of top priority. I cant copy and paste the rule but you can copy and paste in the guideline's search box to get there. extension apy & bonus This rule suggests that we can convert either of them if we want to but GTD is out of place so it is difficult to track for qualifying new conversion. Right now, we simply include base salary of 2023, GTD or not for new conversion. The issue isn't the bonus money its the base salary. See math on my newer post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 7 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: @ny92mike here's an example: In Washington workbook, I have Kendall Fuller as an example extension. His original Base Salary is $8,500,000, with an existing Pro-Rated Bonus of $3,125,000, Current Cap Number $11,625,000. All of that checks out and looks fine. I entered a new Base Salary of $3,500,000 (Year 1), with a new signing bonus of $30,000,000 over 3 years, or a prorated SB of $10,000,000 per year. On top of this his original pro-rated bonus was $3,125,000. So shouldn't his number cap number be the new Year 1 BS ($3,500,000) + prorated new SB ($10,000,000) + old pro rated bonus ($3,125,000) = $16,625,000? The formula in the workbook doesn't use that math. It takes the original base salary $8,500,000 - new base salary of $3,500,000 for a difference of $5,000,000. It then divides that by 3 for an average of $1,666,667. It then takes the $30 mil new SB for $10 mil + that 3 year difference of base salary average of $1,666,667 + old pro rated bonus (3,125,000) = new prorated of $14,791,667. Then it takes that weird number and adds the new base salary of $3,500,000 showing a cap number of $18,291,667. Year ACQ'D Status Pos. Sort Player Identifier Team 4 Digit ID Player Name Pos Age Exp Grade Vet. Min. Base Salary Base Guar. Prorated Non-prorated Cap Number 2023 Original ACT N 1539 - Kendall Fuller - CB WAS 1539 Kendall Fuller CB 28 7 89.9% $1,165,000 $8,500,000 $0 $3,125,000 $0 $11,625,000 2024 Average: $8,500,000 $0 $3,125,000 $0 $11,625,000 Restructured Contract Details Total: $8,500,000 $0 $3,125,000 $0 $11,625,000 Year ACQ'D Status Pos. Sort Player Identifier Team 4 Digit ID Player Name Pos Age Exp Grade Vet. Min. Base Salary Base Guar. Prorated Non-prorated Cap Number 2023 Ext ACT N 1539 - Kendall Fuller - CB WAS 1539 Kendall Fuller CB 28 7 89.9% $1,165,000 $3,500,000 $0 $14,791,667 $0 $18,291,667 2024 Ext ACT N 1539 - Kendall Fuller - CB WAS 1539 Kendall Fuller CB 29 8 89.9% $1,210,000 $4,500,000 $11,666,667 $16,166,667 2025 Ext ACT N 1539 - Kendall Fuller - CB WAS 1539 Kendall Fuller CB 30 9 89.9% $1,255,000 $5,500,000 $0 $11,666,667 $0 $17,166,667 2026 $0 $0 2027 $0 $0 2028 $0 $0 2029 $0 $0 2023 Base Salary $5,000,000 Bass Guarantee Signing Bonus Other Bonus Converted Proration Values Base Salary $1,666,667 Base Guarantee $0 Signing Bonus $10,000,000 Other Bonus $0 Total Converted Proration $11,666,667 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: The issue isn't the bonus money its the base salary. See math on my newer post. I understand. As I explained before, if we are able to track GTD correctly then we can convert that, whatever it is BS or OB or WO. We can't so we stick with one place which is base salary. In real life, they can reduce base salary or sort of others. Here in TCMD, we can't. That is because TCMD protects players' welfare. Cut them if you don't want them for that given price. Similar concept to contract extension. Please don't put more stress on Mike. Whatever rules allow us, we go along with that. Artificiality or reality. After TCMD is done, you better participate in feedback period with Mike to get it straight. Edit.. Mike's google doc will never match OTC, bro. lol. Sorry, Mike. Edited February 15, 2023 by JetsandI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, JetsandI said: I understand. As I explained before, if we are able to track GTD correctly then we can convert that, whatever it is BS or OB or WO. We can't so we stick with one place which is base salary. In real life, they can reduce base salary or sort of others. Here in TCMD, we can't. That is because TCMD protects players' welfare. Cut them if you don't want them for that given price. Similar concept to contract extension. Please don't put more stress on Mike. Whatever rules allow us, we go along with that. Artificiality or reality. After TCMD is done, you better be participate in feedback period with Mike to get it straight. Edit.. Mike's google doc will never match OTC, bro. lol. Sorry, Mike. Protect player welfare? What does that even mean? This is just accounting. The player will receive the same amount regardless. But when players sign extensions IRL almost every new contract allows teams to reduce the Year 1 cap number. That is just the shuffling of the accounting books. The way it is currently calculated with adding a prorated amount of the old base salary makes no sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 minute ago, MKnight82 said: Protect player welfare? What does that even mean? This is just accounting. The player will receive the same amount regardless. But when players sign extensions IRL almost every new contract allows teams to reduce the Year 1 cap number. That is just the shuffling of the accounting books. The way it is currently calculated with adding a prorated amount of the old base salary makes no sense to me. Not my rule. I just accept it and follow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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