Total Control Mock Draft 2023 - Discussion

[squire12]

1 hour ago, MKnight82 said:

Yes that is how it is being calculated, but the question is why? The player upon signing the extension receives a new large signing bonus with a reduction of Year 1 base salary.  Why is this formula guaranteeing the difference between the old base salary and new base salary? 

what is the incentive for the player to accept an extension if there is no new money being added into the contract?

[MKnight82]

1 minute ago, squire12 said:

what is the incentive for the player to accept an extension if there is no new money being added into the contract?

The new signing bonus and additional years added to the contract.  There’s a lot of new money being added, the year 1 cap hit is just an accounting thing it has nothing to do with how much the player actually receives. 

[squire12]

5 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

The new signing bonus and additional years added to the contract.  There’s a lot of new money being added, the year 1 cap hit is just an accounting thing it has nothing to do with how much the player actually receives. 

So what is your solution to the process?   I get that it is not fully real life, but part of the TCMD is to streamline as much of the process.  

converting the base salary into signing bonus but adding nothing to the overall value of the contract is not something that players often agree to if they are not at a legit risk of being cut.  

[bcb1213]

y'all, its fine.  it's not perfect.  That's ok.  This is for fun.  Poor mike worked so many hours to do this for y'all.  He can't address every small detail .  Relax

[MKnight82]

19 minutes ago, squire12 said:

So what is your solution to the process?   I get that it is not fully real life, but part of the TCMD is to streamline as much of the process.  

converting the base salary into signing bonus but adding nothing to the overall value of the contract is not something that players often agree to if they are not at a legit risk of being cut.  

I don’t understand what you’re staying, the SB and additional years add a ton of additional money going to the player.  Again, the year 1 cap amount is merely an accounting number it has nothing to do with how much money the player actually receives.

If money is being labeled as base salary then it needs to be treated as non guaranteed money.  If a few teams benefit from some gauranteed money having been lumped into the base salary for this mock then so be it.  What makes no sense is to penalize every team extending every player because we don’t have the correct information in the spreadsheets.  

[JetsandI]

23 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

The new signing bonus and additional years added to the contract.  There’s a lot of new money being added, the year 1 cap hit is just an accounting thing it has nothing to do with how much the player actually receives. 

 

Player X old contract:

2023: 8m base salary, 2m signing bonus = 10m cap hit (8m new money for 2023).

Player X's new contract (3 years):

2023: 1.5m base salary, 2m old signing bonus, 4m new signing bonus =7.5m cap hit (13.5m new money)

 

As far as 2023 concern for new money, Player X gets extra money. However, in TCMD, we don't count new money to contest salary cap. That means we can dump all real money into outer of TCMD's one year simulation as long as we meet TCMD's 2023 salary cap.  It may get fun out of context.  That is why TCMD runs tighter than real life to make one year simulation mock look realistic although it creates a small effect on contract.

 

 

 

 

 

[MKnight82]

3 minutes ago, JetsandI said:

 

Player X old contract:

2023: 8m base salary, 2m signing bonus = 10m cap hit (8m new money for 2023).

Player X's new contract (3 years):

2023: 1.5m base salary, 2m old signing bonus, 4m new signing bonus =7.5m cap hit (13.5m new money)

 

As far as 2023 concern for new money, Player X gets extra money. However, in TCMD, we don't count new money to contest salary cap. That means we can dump all real money into outer of TCMD's one year simulation as long as we meet TCMD's 2023 salary cap.  It may get fun out of context.  That is why TCMD runs tighter than real life to make one year simulation mock look realistic although it creates a small effect on contract.

 

 

 

 

 

He already has a cap on the number of players that can be restructured and extended you don’t need another nonsensical rule to cap the ability for teams to create cap space.

[squire12]

9 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

I don’t understand what you’re staying, the SB and additional years add a ton of additional money going to the player.  Again, the year 1 cap amount is merely an accounting number it has nothing to do with how much money the player actually receives.

If money is being labeled as base salary then it needs to be treated as non guaranteed money.  If a few teams benefit from some gauranteed money having been lumped into the base salary for this mock then so be it.  What makes no sense is to penalize every team extending every player because we don’t have the correct information in the spreadsheets.  

there are many contracts that have base salary as guaranteed

[JetsandI]

 

@sparky151

That is because this blank cell is linked to the cell where you have to input $$$ in as new base salary.

Don't worry, it won't pass until new base salary is met.

Edited February 15, 2023 by JetsandI

[squire12]

2 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

He already has a cap on the number of players that can be restructured and extended you don’t need another nonsensical rule to cap the ability for teams to create cap space.

I don't agree with limiting the number of players that can be restructured/extended or how the restructure allotments are determined.  I think that is a far easier discussion and item that could be changed

[MKnight82]

1 minute ago, squire12 said:

there are many contracts that have base salary as guaranteed

Yes but we don’t know which ones are or aren’t based on the information in these spreadsheets.  The solution can’t be to simply penalize everyone for bad data.

[JetsandI]

1 minute ago, squire12 said:

there are many contracts that have base salary as guaranteed

Also.  Once you extend this contract, 2023 becomes "fully GTD" because the plan is to keep him for 2023.

[JetsandI]

5 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

He already has a cap on the number of players that can be restructured and extended you don’t need another nonsensical rule to cap the ability for teams to create cap space.

Worrisome kicked in.  There is nothing I can do about that.

[MKnight82]

11 minutes ago, JetsandI said:

Also.  Once you extend this contract, 2023 becomes "fully GTD" because the plan is to keep him for 2023.

There isn’t a team in the league that extends a player and doesn’t reduce his year 1 cap amount.

[JetsandI]

Just now, MKnight82 said:

There isn’t a team in the league that extends a player and doesn’t reduce his year 1 cap amount.

As long as they don't erase latest new money from old contract. 

 

Can we put it on the back burner?