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[turtle28]

38 minutes ago, PARROTHEAD said:

His current record as a head coach is 6-40.

Yeah, his other HC gig was at that powerhouse known as New Mexico.

He came from Alabama where as an offensive coordinator in 2018 he received the Broyles Award as the nation’s top assistant coach. 

It's obvious he can recruit, and he's shown the ability to be able to coach unless you think the top assistant coach in college football can't coach...

Maryland is never going to be Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State or Wisconsin, but I believe they can be in the 2nd tier of Big10 football schools like Iowa, Michigan St, Nebraska and now Minnesota.

Edited December 20, 2019 by turtle28

[naptownskinsfan]

2 hours ago, turtle28 said:

Canada didn't lose the team's best player to an ACL tear before the season began.

That's one guy though with two top 30 recruiting classes in a row.  If Maryland was middle of the pack, I'd absolutely agree with that kind of impact, but with those kind of classes, one injury like that is something to recover from. 

[naptownskinsfan]

2 hours ago, turtle28 said:

Yeah, his other HC gig was at that powerhouse known as New Mexico.

He came from Alabama where as an offensive coordinator in 2018 he received the Broyles Award as the nation’s top assistant coach. 

It's obvious he can recruit, and he's shown the ability to be able to coach unless you think the top assistant coach in college football can't coach...

Maryland is never going to be Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State or Wisconsin, but I believe they can be in the 2nd tier of Big10 football schools like Iowa, Michigan St, Nebraska and now Minnesota.

The Broyles Award means nothing.  Chip Long, former ND offensive coordinator, was a finalist for that award last year, and they fired him this year.  

Plenty of guys can recruit.  As a head coach though, being a recruiter is the thing you are counted on the least.  That 6-40 record is dreadful, plain and simple.  Chris Ash went into Rutgers being touted as a recruiter, and look where that got him.  Chad Morris started the SMU turnaround, but failed at the next level with Arkansas.  And Locksley is in a better situation with current roster talent coming in than Ash/Rutgers, Morris/SMU and even Morris/Arkansas.  

If he can't get that record close to .500 last year, there are going to be some of the boosters calling for his dismissal next year.  He also doesn't have much of a buyout, with the school only needing to pay him 65% of the current contract in the second year.  

 

[turtle28]

9 hours ago, naptownskinsfan said:

The Broyles Award means nothing.  Chip Long, former ND offensive coordinator, was a finalist for that award last year, and they fired him this year.  

Plenty of guys can recruit.  As a head coach though, being a recruiter is the thing you are counted on the least.  That 6-40 record is dreadful, plain and simple.  Chris Ash went into Rutgers being touted as a recruiter, and look where that got him.  Chad Morris started the SMU turnaround, but failed at the next level with Arkansas.  And Locksley is in a better situation with current roster talent coming in than Ash/Rutgers, Morris/SMU and even Morris/Arkansas.  

If he can't get that record close to .500 last year, there are going to be some of the boosters calling for his dismissal next year.  He also doesn't have much of a buyout, with the school only needing to pay him 65% of the current contract in the second year.  

 

It’s so Maryland to fire a HC too soon. This is the program that fired Fridge after he won coach of the year in the ACC. So, they not only lost a great HC but also his great offensive coordinator who was James Franklin who was the HC in waiting at UMD for Randy Effin Edsall. Lock needs 3 more years to build his program at the minimum.

Edited December 20, 2019 by turtle28

[naptownskinsfan]

1 hour ago, turtle28 said:

It’s so Maryland to fire a HC too soon. This is the program that fired Fridge after he won coach of the year in the ACC. So, they not only lost a great HC but also his great offensive coordinator who was James Franklin who was the HC in waiting at UMD for Randy Effin Edsall. Lock needs 3 more years to build his program at the minimum.

Lets just put it this way.  Locksley was so bad at New Mexico that they planned to fire him after two years but didn't because of the buyout, but after starting the next year 0-4 that went out the window.  

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[turtle28]

5 hours ago, naptownskinsfan said:

Lets just put it this way.  Locksley was so bad at New Mexico that they planned to fire him after two years but didn't because of the buyout, but after starting the next year 0-4 that went out the window.  

That really doesn’t matter to me. How many coaches failed at their first stops to go somewhere else and have more success?

The list is endless.

I also, don’t really understand what your issue is. What’s your actual position here?

Is it that you definitely know Lock isn’t going to work out? Bc, no one has a crystal ball so I’d say we don’t know.

Is it that you don’t want him to even be the HC at Maryland currently based off his NM head coaching job and off of one season when he came into a program with a lot of issues?

It’s like you not even open to the idea that he & the Maryland program may actually become better in the future.

All I’m trying to say is give it time and hopefully it works out.

Why are you against that?

Edited December 20, 2019 by turtle28

[PARROTHEAD]

On 12/19/2019 at 8:01 PM, turtle28 said:

Maryland is never going to be Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State or Wisconsin, but I believe they can be in the 2nd tier of Big10 football schools like Iowa, Michigan St, Nebraska and now Minnesota.

Maryland is currently as loaded with talent as Wisconsin. Theyre not in the shape UVA was when London left. Way the B1G recruits as a whole. Maryland is around 5 overall the past few years. In 2018 they were 28, Wisconsin was 45. Minn was 38 and Iowa 39. If he cant go bowling next year with a soft schedule, he needs to go.

Marylands major issue is keeping kids at home. I think thats why they hired a recruiter to coach. 4 of the top 20 recruits in Maryland are staying in state, 3 are headed to Bama alone. 3* kids are heading to Clemson and OSU to ride the bench for their career rather than stay home with much better odds to start. If they can change that, they can be a 9 win team yearly, with more every few.

[naptownskinsfan]

11 hours ago, turtle28 said:

That really doesn’t matter to me. How many coaches failed at their first stops to go somewhere else and have more success?

The list is endless.

I also, don’t really understand what your issue is. What’s your actual position here?

Is it that you definitely know Lock isn’t going to work out? Bc, no one has a crystal ball so I’d say we don’t know.

Is it that you don’t want him to even be the HC at Maryland currently based off his NM head coaching job and off of one season when he came into a program with a lot of issues?

It’s like you not even open to the idea that he & the Maryland program may actually become better in the future.

All I’m trying to say is give it time and hopefully it works out.

Why are you against that?

I'm not a Maryland fan.  I'm a Georgia and Navy fan.  However, I would like for Maryland to be competitive and I am just not seeing it.  Locksley looks to be in over his head.  He had a team that was left quite a bit of talent by Durkin despite everything, and despite those things Matt Canada led the team to a 5-7 record last year, nearly beating Ohio State and gets the boot.  I guess you can say that's my gripe if you will, but Canada deserved another shot with what he did with that team, especially over the resume that Locksley brought to the table.  

Also, Maryland football's excitement is gone.  Look at some of the pictures from the student sections.  Kids are leaving super early, if bothering with the game at all.  The boosters in the athletic department want to win at more than just basketball, but they can't get out of their own way.  Sounds like the Redskins right?  At this point, Canada was their version of Schottenheimer.  

I've got a family at my church whose youngest son is a top specialist recruit and just finished his junior year of football.  He's gone on a ton of recruiting visits, been invited to private workouts and showcases and goes to DeMatha, yet he has absolutely no interest in Maryland and didn't bother taking an official or unofficial visit. The school is right up the road from where he is now, and he would be 40 minutes from home with his entire family in state, and he has no interest in Maryland because of the lack of excitement around the program.  And I was talking to his dad, who has coached him through his career (and he also coached with my dad at another high school) and he had absolutely no concerns about him going to Maryland as far as safety goes, so that's not a factor.  

I just don't think he's the right guy for the job, and someone who did do a good job with it in extremely trying circumstances got the shaft.  

[naptownskinsfan]

2 hours ago, PARROTHEAD said:

Maryland is currently as loaded with talent as Wisconsin. Theyre not in the shape UVA was when London left. Way the B1G recruits as a whole. Maryland is around 5 overall the past few years. In 2018 they were 28, Wisconsin was 45. Minn was 38 and Iowa 39. If he cant go bowling next year with a soft schedule, he needs to go.

Marylands major issue is keeping kids at home. I think thats why they hired a recruiter to coach. 4 of the top 20 recruits in Maryland are staying in state, 3 are headed to Bama alone. 3* kids are heading to Clemson and OSU to ride the bench for their career rather than stay home with much better odds to start. If they can change that, they can be a 9 win team yearly, with more every few.

Great post.  It would also help Maryland keep recruits in state if they actually had success on the field.  Durkin helped recruiting immensely because he was a proven assistant, proven recruiter with a name and established brand.  Locksley is a recruiter, but the results really leaves a lot to be desired.  Maryland has the money to pay someone at the upper tier of coaches, as evidenced from Durkin's contract, but they settled.  

[turtle28]

10 hours ago, PARROTHEAD said:

Maryland is currently as loaded with talent as Wisconsin. Theyre not in the shape UVA was when London left. Way the B1G recruits as a whole. Maryland is around 5 overall the past few years. In 2018 they were 28, Wisconsin was 45. Minn was 38 and Iowa 39. If he cant go bowling next year with a soft schedule, he needs to go.

Marylands major issue is keeping kids at home. I think thats why they hired a recruiter to coach. 4 of the top 20 recruits in Maryland are staying in state, 3 are headed to Bama alone. 3* kids are heading to Clemson and OSU to ride the bench for their career rather than stay home with much better odds to start. If they can change that, they can be a 9 win team yearly, with more every few.

No they're not. Wisconsin has better QB play and better OL & DL talent which makes all the difference in a conference like the big 10.

[turtle28]

7 hours ago, naptownskinsfan said:

I'm not a Maryland fan.  I'm a Georgia and Navy fan.  However, I would like for Maryland to be competitive and I am just not seeing it.  Locksley looks to be in over his head.  He had a team that was left quite a bit of talent by Durkin despite everything, and despite those things Matt Canada led the team to a 5-7 record last year, nearly beating Ohio State and gets the boot.  I guess you can say that's my gripe if you will, but Canada deserved another shot with what he did with that team, especially over the resume that Locksley brought to the table.  

Also, Maryland football's excitement is gone.  Look at some of the pictures from the student sections.  Kids are leaving super early, if bothering with the game at all.  The boosters in the athletic department want to win at more than just basketball, but they can't get out of their own way.  Sounds like the Redskins right?  At this point, Canada was their version of Schottenheimer.  

I've got a family at my church whose youngest son is a top specialist recruit and just finished his junior year of football.  He's gone on a ton of recruiting visits, been invited to private workouts and showcases and goes to DeMatha, yet he has absolutely no interest in Maryland and didn't bother taking an official or unofficial visit. The school is right up the road from where he is now, and he would be 40 minutes from home with his entire family in state, and he has no interest in Maryland because of the lack of excitement around the program.  And I was talking to his dad, who has coached him through his career (and he also coached with my dad at another high school) and he had absolutely no concerns about him going to Maryland as far as safety goes, so that's not a factor.  

I just don't think he's the right guy for the job, and someone who did do a good job with it in extremely trying circumstances got the shaft.  

The QB play was awful last year,  the OL & DLs continue to get  dominated in the Big10, that takes time to improve. Give it time.  They're just removed from the awful Edsall era and when someone died at practic. It will take time to build the culture up to where it was during Fridge.

Ido agree they should've kept Canada but I am excited about the talent that is coming into the program. 

Edited December 21, 2019 by turtle28

[PARROTHEAD]

3 hours ago, turtle28 said:

No they're not. Wisconsin has better QB play and better OL & DL talent which makes all the difference in a conference like the big 10.

2018 alone. Maryland nabbed the no.7 and 11th ranked OTs, no.15 DT, 19 OG.

2017. 16th ranked OG, 29th OT, 20 and 21  ranked DTs, no.10 Center

2016 No.3 and 14 ranked OGs

Theyve brought in enough talent to be successful. Bringing in every bit as good of OL-DL talent recruit wise as Wisconsin. Its all in coaching it up and getting the most out of them.

[PARROTHEAD]

11 hours ago, naptownskinsfan said:

Great post.  It would also help Maryland keep recruits in state if they actually had success on the field.  Durkin helped recruiting immensely because he was a proven assistant, proven recruiter with a name and established brand.  Locksley is a recruiter, but the results really leaves a lot to be desired.  Maryland has the money to pay someone at the upper tier of coaches, as evidenced from Durkin's contract, but they settled.  

They get some success and they can also tap into the NJ area. NJ is a top 15 talent producing state with no place for kids to really go. Out of NJ theyve gotten 1 kid out the states top 25 the past 2 classes. And he was 23rd. This past year none. See kids from NJ going to NCST, Pitt, VT, UNC, UCLA, BC at higher rates. They prove they can win, I can see them easily being looked at over those places.

Maryland has plenty of money. Coaches have to look at the place like they can do a whole lot of winning there. But they saw the Saban relation and the tree that spouted guys like Dabo, Kirby, Jimbo and went all goo-goo eyed.

[turtle28]

3 hours ago, PARROTHEAD said:

2018 alone. Maryland nabbed the no.7 and 11th ranked OTs, no.15 DT, 19 OG.

2017. 16th ranked OG, 29th OT, 20 and 21  ranked DTs, no.10 Center

2016 No.3 and 14 ranked OGs

Theyve brought in enough talent to be successful. Bringing in every bit as good of OL-DL talent recruit wise as Wisconsin. Its all in coaching it up and getting the most out of them.

Yeah so let’s give Locksley the chance to do that. You can determine your opinion of him after one year, but I won’t. I think every new HC should get at least 4 years - from his first recruiting class - to turn the program around. 
 

I mean, the way you and Naptown are acting is like Bronco Mendenhall should’ve been fired attire his first season in Charlottesville in 2016 after the team went 2-10. Now, because they stuck with him, 3 years later they went to the ACC Championship game.

Edited December 21, 2019 by turtle28