Red Dead Redemption II Mafia - Game Over - Pinkertons and Dutch Wins!

[bcb1213]

Whicker or gopher imo 

[bcb1213]

Wait, Llama said he was blocked night four right? 

[bcb1213]

I'm too drunk for this right now. Regroup in morning 

[rackcs]

8 minutes ago, bcb1213 said:

Wait, Llama said he was blocked night four right? 

Well he said his move failed. That's as much as it seems he knew. Could've been for other reasons.

Could've been mwil was also redirected by scum, whose move took precedence and that's the way the host worded it, as llama's move failing. 

How likely do we think it is that there's another scum besides Malf? And when will gopher actually share his info with us?

[Malfatron]

Just now, rackcs said:

Well he said his move failed. That's as much as it seems he knew. Could've been for other reasons.

Could've been mwil was also redirected by scum, whose move took precedence and that's the way the host worded it, as llama's move failing. 

How likely do we think it is that there's another scum besides Malf? And when will gopher actually share his info with us?

Not sure if you missed my post on the last page but im town

[TOUCAN]

I think Malf is the last of.

[MWil23]

Okay so the other night there was a block on llama presumably from forge and I was redirected to pickle, and there was a kill. 

The math says we have a scum redirect in play and one more scum in Malf.

[MWil23]

7 hours ago, Daboyle said:

While yesterday didn’t go the way they hoped, the Van Der Linde gang was feeling confident in their ability to remove the Pinkerton threat hanging over their shoulders. They noticed a man who didn’t look quite right and decided he was the next person to remove from the equation. 

As they started to surround him, they noticed this man appeared a little too smug for his own good. One of the gang members snarled, “I don’t like the looks of you, partner, you must be the rat” before they all shot the smug man. As the man fell, they noticed what appeared to be a Pinkerton Agency badge hanging from his jacket.

@Forge 2.0 is dead. He was Agent Milton, Roleblocker (Odd), Pinkerton-Aligned.

MOVES ARE DUE 10:30PM ET.

Odd roleblock, meaning scum has an even redirect and a killer 

[Malfatron]

50 minutes ago, MWil23 said:

Okay so the other night there was a block on llama presumably from forge and I was redirected to pickle, and there was a kill. 

Forge was odd night roleblocker and clearly blocked pickle n3. He couldnt have blocked llama

I think youre the actual killer here. And not vig either. You would have been killed by mafia long ago if so. 

I could see you hitting wolf for a big move to clear yourself.

Mwil

[Malfatron]

On 2/13/2023 at 9:04 PM, MWil23 said:

Don’t worry Orca I’ll avenge you 

 

On 2/13/2023 at 8:58 PM, MWil23 said:

Yeah he’s not Dutch that much I’m certain of. Also:

So this happened around the time orca died. Well before night moves were due.

Mwil not only softed vig, but also basically claimed dutch right around night time.

And it was an odd night so mafia completely let him go here? They roleblocked pickle and hit skywind?? 

A simpler answer is either mwil hit wolf (who was dead man walking anyway) to become cleared.

or llama somehow redirected wolf to a pgo or something or redirected scum to wolf

The only reason for mwil to softclaim before he killed was to take credit for it later but it also showed that mwil did not fear death at all. 

[Malfatron]

@MWil23 did you kill llama last night?

[Malfatron]

Also, everyone is focusing too hard on the writeup. If dabs said that i was a kid, that would have lolcleared me. He left it ambiguous for a reason

[MWil23]

1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

Forge was odd night roleblocker and clearly blocked pickle n3. He couldnt have blocked llama

Assuming Pickle is telling the truth, this actually makes sense

1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

I think youre the actual killer here.

"A" killer

1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

And not vig either. You would have been killed by mafia long ago if so. 

I'm pretty clearly a vigilante killer, and it would make more sense for you guys to use me as long as you had a redirect in play/the ability to manipulate me, which you did with Pickle

1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

I could see you hitting wolf for a big move to clear yourself.

Mwil

A few things here:

1. Most hosts don't let scum use scum faction moves to kill other scum members for various reasons, some personal, some ethical.

2. This is actually a big brained idea that I'd cook up in scum chat, but I'd advocate to be the one who was killed as opposed to the killer unless my role was more valuable

3. The night Wolf died, there were 2 hits:

On 2/13/2023 at 10:40 PM, Daboyle said:

After the shock of seeing Arthur perish under such foolish circumstances, one of the men became filled with rage and he decided that he needed to take it out on the guy who caused all this madness. He took his gun out of the holster and shot the man quietly standing at the butcher’s table.

As the corpse fell to the ground, they noticed that the man wasn’t who he seemed. It was one of their gang’s greatest enemies and rivals, who was recently spotted commiserating with law enforcement to possibly gain clemency!

Additionally, a man lurking in the shadows decided to dispose of another member of the gang: the one with the funny accent and comes in and out as he pleases. Losing a man like this would only incite further chaos within the gang. But after the shot rang out, the funny accented man took out his knife and stabbed the first man he saw out of defense. Unfortunately for him, the first man he saw was the man who just died by the butcher’s table.

@wolfeyestrk is dead. He was Colm O’Driscoll, 3-Shot Role Cop, Pinkerton-Aligned.

@skywindO2 is dead. He was Josiah Trelawny, Vengeful Miller, Van Der Linde Gang-Aligned.

DAY 4 HAS OFFICIALLY BEGUN!

D4 WILL END TUESDAY AT 10PM ET.

Lots of flavor there. One man (me) shot Wolf, that much is clear. Unfortunately, Skywind decided to use his vengeful on Wolf as well, and it's pretty clear that skywind was hit by scum.

So, your theory is pretty sloppy here, because you seem to believe that scum would have 2 kills, one of which was used on their one (Wolf) and one that was used on Skywind...and that somehow I was able to carry out both kills.

1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

On 2/13/2023 at 9:58 PM, MWil23 said:

Yeah he’s not Dutch that much I’m certain of. Also:

So this happened around the time orca died. Well before night moves were due.

Mwil not only softed vig, but also basically claimed dutch right around night time.

Softed vig? No, but I did claim Dutch pretty clearly, but context is important:

On 2/13/2023 at 9:56 PM, Whicker said:

On 2/13/2023 at 9:54 PM, The Orca said:

Again...cause you don't lynch the one ducking character 100% for sure is town. Hide my actual role, lives, and scum hunting move from mafia

Dude. Arthur isn’t Dutch. This argument would resonate a bit more (but even then not guaranteed) if you were Dutch van der Linde aka leader of the van der Linde gang. But Arthur’s story is literally him breaking from the Gang. Even IF Butters himself were to guarantee Arthur in the game, he would still make sense as a 3rd party as well as town 

That was a direct response to Whicker

1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

And it was an odd night so mafia completely let him go here? They roleblocked pickle and hit skywind?? 

It would look that way, wouldn't it.

1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

A simpler answer is either mwil hit wolf

Yeah I did hit Wolf

1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

(who was dead man walking anyway) to become cleared.

See above

1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

or llama somehow redirected wolf to a pgo or something or redirected scum to wolf

So you think that Llama redirected wolf to a pgo/redirected scum to wolf despite Llama claiming completely otherwise on not using his move that night and saving it and then he flipped Town? Yeah, I'm going to assume post flip that Llama was telling the truth here.

1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

The only reason for mwil to softclaim before he killed was to take credit for it later

I soft-claimed Dutch after soft-claiming Ben Wade, which hilariously enough Skywind and Dome picked up on in reference to 3:10 to Yuma, one of my favorite movies, wherein Ben Wade is the leader of an outlaw gang who then within the first few minutes of the movie goes head to head with the Pinkertons, protecting a stagecoach from his robbery.

1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

but it also showed that mwil did not fear death at all. 

Did not? No, I do not fear death at all.  

[rackcs]

Yeah mwil is the only one left I trust 100%. There's no way scum would have been given Dutch as a cover role when the town faction is named after him lol I'd almost trust gopher 100% as well since I very much doubt that John Marston would be a cover role, the only thing giving me pause on him is how he refuses to share any info.

I think everyone should go ahead and share their results from last night.

[Malfatron]

1 hour ago, Malfatron said:

@MWil23 did you kill llama last night?

A lot of answers but mwil didnt answer this