CWood21 Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 4 hours ago, holt_bruce81 said: Let's get Colome/Longoria already! I think they're holding off on Machado or Donaldson, before they push for Longoria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 9 minutes ago, CWood21 said: I think they're holding off on Machado or Donaldson, before they push for Longoria. Better not wait too long though, as Colome is a hot target too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted December 15, 2017 Author Share Posted December 15, 2017 13 minutes ago, kgarrett12486 said: Better not wait too long though, as Colome is a hot target too. No doubt. But it's not like he's their only target. They could go after Wade Davis or Greg Holland, not saying it's ideal but they're also possibilities as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted December 15, 2017 Share Posted December 15, 2017 4 hours ago, CWood21 said: No doubt. But it's not like he's their only target. They could go after Wade Davis or Greg Holland, not saying it's ideal but they're also possibilities as well. Thing about the Rays deal from I've heard, is it could evolve into a 'one stop trade' if need be and we were willing to part w/ some pieces. Reports say that Colome, Longoria, Archer/Odorizzi could all be in play if we wanted to expand talks. I just don't want that deal to go by the wayside, as I think it sets us up better long-term than 1 year of Machado/Donaldson... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted December 16, 2017 Author Share Posted December 16, 2017 Quote The Cardinals no longer can offer pitcher Sandy Alcantara, one of the prospects that the Orioles desired, because he was included in the package that went to the Marlins for outfielder Marcell Ozuna. The Orioles want pitcher Jordan Hicks, a right-hander with a fastball that approaches 100 mph, according to a source. Cardinals catcher Carson Kelly could be included in a deal for Machado. His name has been discussed. But again, nothing is imminent. That would be an interesting, although that's a pretty hefty price to make. I'd have to imagine that they would only give that package if they got a negotiation window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 8 hours ago, CWood21 said: That would be an interesting, although that's a pretty hefty price to make. I'd have to imagine that they would only give that package if they got a negotiation window. Agreed, that's the only way I make that deal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttitansfan4life Posted December 16, 2017 Share Posted December 16, 2017 Cards shouldn’t agree to a deal anyway until a contract is in place. He’s not going to f this team over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tttmikeb Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Yeah, with everything seemingly pointing to Machado testing free agency (and likely heading to the Yankees), it's really not a worthwhile investment for us. Not for what we're hearing at this point, anyway. And I really don't see the Orioles letting him go for a price that would make sense for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 13 hours ago, tttmikeb said: Yeah, with everything seemingly pointing to Machado testing free agency (and likely heading to the Yankees), it's really not a worthwhile investment for us. Not for what we're hearing at this point, anyway. And I really don't see the Orioles letting him go for a price that would make sense for us. Sounds like the Orioles like Luke Weaver, Jack Flaherty, Jordan Hicks, and Carson Kelly. Although, reading between the lines it isn't too hard to figure out how the talks went. The Cardinals probably expressed interest in Machado and asked who the Orioles would want in return. The Orioles mentioned those players, and the Cardinals asked for a negotiation window if they were going to give up those players. The Orioles would obviously say no, which pretty much ended up all discussions there. Don't see the Cardinals be willing to move any of those prospects without a negotiation window. Have to imagine that a Donaldson trade is far more likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 A few interesting tweets from Marc Topkin of the Tampa Ray Times. Seems like a Rays trade is on hold as they pursue other opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holt_bruce81 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 mlb.com's rankings of Jordan Hicks and Andrew Knizner are hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgarrett12486 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, holt_bruce81 said: mlb.com's rankings of Jordan Hicks and Andrew Knizner are hilarious. Yah, just brutal neither one inside top 10. Knizer is like in the 20s... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holt_bruce81 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 31 minutes ago, kgarrett12486 said: Yah, just brutal neither one inside top 10. Knizer is like in the 20s... yeah #26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, holt_bruce81 said: mlb.com's rankings of Jordan Hicks and Andrew Knizner are hilarious. Jordan Hicks' ranking isn't awful. I'd have him a bit higher, but he's not this overwhelming prospect...yet. I think he's ready for a breakout year next year. I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed him to Springfield next year. As for Knizner, I understand the hesitation to get behind him given the fact that his tools are limited and he's a bit of an overachiever in that sense. He's probably in that 12-18 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLunatic88 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 20 hours ago, CWood21 said: Seems like a Rays trade is on hold as they pursue other opportunities. Ive been saying, we are trying to land the bigger fish at 3B (or SS in Machado's case) and when those break down we will shift the Rays talk into gear. I actually would imagine we already have a deal for just Colome on the table. Another framework of Colome + Longoria, and then some exploratory talks about what it would take to add Archer or Odorizzi into those deals. I know Longoria doesnt really tickle the fancy of many around here, but I think he would become an impact player for this team. It would be a legit answer at 3B (instead of hoping Jedd has another career type year) and I also think it is more likely that we would see something closer to '16 Longoria than not, being inserted to a much more capable lineup (now with Ozuna) than the middling Rays order. Trust me, I would rather have Luke Donaldson (as I think we would have a high likelihood of resigning him if he gets here for the year) but it doesnt seem like the Jays are ready to play ball, which I just dont understand with how far behind the Redsox and especially the Yankees they are. And I still say that Machado was always a pipe dream, and he wont be moved for anything near the asking price that the O's have. (they would be lucky to get half of what they seem to be asking from us for just one year of Machado who is already eyeing up Free Agency) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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