Damikeeeee Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Is Ogbah any good for Cleveland? I liked him coming out at thought his positives would be a good fit in our D. If they take Chubb I wonder if he could come cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, topwop1 said: And what has Ezekial Ansah and Jadaveon Clowney exactly help their respective teams do lately? Neither team have won a Super Bowl with those highly valued pass rushers... QB, LT, RT, 2 pass rushers, 2 corners. That's where you win in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, G08 said: Thinking that guards win you games is about as football stupid as it gets -- I'm sorry. Read Dan Pompei's latest piece, he'll break it down. I do not think that any one position can win you games outside of QB. I do think that running the ball at will and protecting your QB is an exceptional framework for winning football games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Just now, G08 said: QB, LT, RT, 2 pass rushers, 2 corners. That's where you win in the NFL. Give me an elite OG over an elite RT. The thought that OT has significantly more value than OG has come from an outdated approach. With the number of talented interior rushers that the NFL has you simply cannot rely on holding up on the edges. It is far easier to help an OT in pass pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, IronMike84 said: Meh. He’s such a big projection. I’ve ragged on Landry and Edmunds but I’d take both of those guys 10 out of 10 times over Davenport. Hes really not that much of a projection overall. He is a really, really, really good lber all ready. He is tremendous in setting the edge. He is really strong in stacking and shedding his blocker. He has shown a pretty good ability when dropping into coverage. He IS a projection when it comes to rushing the passer, bc he isnt refined, and just used violence to beat his opponents. Make no mistake he isnt just some raw kid you dont know what you are getting. He is a darn good football player already, but you are certainly betting that you can teach him how to use all his natural giftz to the qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 I would not an an issue with Davenport at 8, but it is a risk and it could end up going poorly for the Bears. I would be worried about the amount of risk that the Bears are assuming when in my opinion they are high enough not to have to take on that risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 3 of the 4 starting G's in the Super Bowl were picked in round 3. The other was picked in round 4. The Eagles 2 best pass rushers were drafted in round 1. The Patriots 2 best pass rushers were drafted in round 2 and 4 (man, NE really had some **** pass rushers; their 2 sack leaders were Van Noy and Flowers) Edited April 25, 2018 by beardown3231 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, Damikeeeee said: Is Ogbah any good for Cleveland? I liked him coming out at thought his positives would be a good fit in our D. If they take Chubb I wonder if he could come cheap. I posted that same thing a few days ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: 3 of the 4 starting G's in the Super Bowl were picked in round 3. The other was picked in round 4. The Eagles 2 best pass rushers were drafted in round 1. The Patriots 2 best pass rushers were drafted in round 2 and 4 (man, NE really had some **** pass rushers; their 2 sack leaders were Van Noy and Flowers) Save your breath man. Look at this list of highest paid OGs and where they were drafted and you'll find people that will discredit it -- no point. Highest Paid Guards And When They Were Drafted: Norwell - UDFA Zeitler - 27th Osemele - 60th Turner - 92nd Jackson - 81st Long - 20th DeCastro - 24th Lang - 109th Pugh - 19th Leary - UDFA Bitonio - 35th Warford - 65th Duvernay-Tardif - 200th Brooks - 76th Iupati - 17th Yanda - 86th Levitre - 51st Winters - 72nd Allen - 44th Fulton - 193rd 4 first round picks and all were after pick #17. Edited April 25, 2018 by G08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: 3 of the 4 starting G's in the Super Bowl were picked in round 3. The other was picked in round 4. The Eagles 2 best pass rushers were drafted in round 1. The Patriots 2 best pass rushers were drafted in round 2 and 4 (man, NE really had some **** pass rushers; their 2 sack leaders were Van Noy and Flowers) Again looking at one team does not really allow you to make a sweeping statement about a position. The position has varying value depending on the team and what they want to do. I agree that really good pass rushers need to be picked early in the draft. I would pick Chubb over Nelson every single time, but we are not going to have a shot at Chubb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, G08 said: Save your breath man. Look at this list of highest paid OGs and where they were drafted and you'll find people that will discredit it -- no point. Highest Paid Guards And When They Were Drafted: Norwell - UDFA Zeitler - 27th Osemele - 60th Turner - 92nd Jackson - 81st Long - 20th DeCastro - 24th Lang - 109th Pugh - 19th Leary - UDFA Bitonio - 35th Warford - 65th Duvernay-Tardif - 200th Brooks - 76th Iupati - 17th Yanda - 86th Levitre - 51st Winters - 72nd Allen - 44th Fulton - 193rd 4 first round picks and all were after pick #17. No one is arguing that you should take a comparable OG over a comparable pass rusher. I think Nelson simply has a higher grade than any pass rusher we might get our hands on. Enough so that it would trump concerns about positional versatility. Edited April 25, 2018 by WindyCity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 Consequently, the 10 highest paid 3-4 OLB's: Von Miller- round 1 Justin Houston- round 3 Chandler Jones- round 1 Melvin Ingram- round 1 Clay Matthews- round 1 Nick Perry- round 1 Ryan Kerrigan- round 1 Jabaal Sheard- round 2 Brian Orakpo- round 1 Jadaveon Clowney- round 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, WindyCity said: Again looking at one team does not really allow you to make a sweeping statement about a position. The position has varying value depending on the team and what they want to do. I agree that really good pass rushers need to be picked early in the draft. I would pick Chubb over Nelson every single time, but we are not going to have a shot at Chubb. Windy, im going to be honest with you, im not sure Chubb is a BETTER prospect than Davenport, and im certain he doesnt have near the ceiling. He is a SAFER prospect. But there are no Myles Garretts, Von Millers, Kalil Macks in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: Consequently, the 10 highest paid 3-4 OLB's: Von Miller- round 1 Justin Houston- round 3 Chandler Jones- round 1 Melvin Ingram- round 1 Clay Matthews- round 1 Nick Perry- round 1 Ryan Kerrigan- round 1 Jabaal Sheard- round 2 Brian Orakpo- round 1 Jadaveon Clowney- round 1 THANK YOU! Jesus I felt like I was taking crazy pills here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted April 25, 2018 Share Posted April 25, 2018 2 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: Consequently, the 10 highest paid 3-4 OLB's: Von Miller- round 1 Justin Houston- round 3 Chandler Jones- round 1 Melvin Ingram- round 1 Clay Matthews- round 1 Nick Perry- round 1 Ryan Kerrigan- round 1 Jabaal Sheard- round 2 Brian Orakpo- round 1 Jadaveon Clowney- round 1 Pass rushers are more important than OGs. We should definitely take Bradley Chubb over Quenton Nelson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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