Frankie2Gunz Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: If he goes top 10, that team will not have that luxury. As fans, we can't get fired, but coaches and GMs do. As soon as you draft a guy top 15, the clock starts on your career. I've written this before, but Bill Belichick couldn't even survive a top-15 QB bust. It's hard to deny that there's a lot of helium for McCarthy going top 15, but I will believe it when I see it. I've also written this before, but Will Levis was projected to go top 5 just days before the draft. It only takes 1 team, but teams have been more careful than ever when picking a quarterback highly. If he goes top 15, I think the Vikings make the most sense if they re-sign Cousins. The Vikings, if they resign Cousins, would be an ideal landing spot for JJ. He has a former QB as a HC, could sit for a year and learn from a quality vet like Cousins, then be thrust into a situation behind a good Oline, one of the best WR's corps in the NFL and a top tier TE. With our luck we trade up for him and then AP s the hot seat by mid year and if that happens he very well could thrust JJ into action too soon in order to save his job. That could be a scenario that is not ideal for a raw prospect like JJ. Edited March 3 by Frankie2Gunz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 13 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: The Vikings, if they resign Cousins, would be an ideal landing spot for JJ. He has a former QB as a HC, could sit for a year and learn from a quality vet like Cousins, then be thrust into a situation behind a good Oline, one of the best WR's corps in the NFL and a top tier TE. With our luck we trade up for him and then AP s the hot seat by mid year and if that happens he very well could thrust JJ into action too soon in order to save his job. That could be a scenario that is not ideal for a raw prospect like JJ. I think Cousins looks for one last payday in a 3-5year deal. teams desperate out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 11 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: I think Cousins looks for one last payday in a 3-5year deal. teams desperate out there If I were him and his agent I would hold out for a multi year deal with a team. I wouldn’t want to be the team on the other end of that contract though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 3 Author Share Posted March 3 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Frankie2Gunz said: If I were him and his agent I would hold out for a multi year deal with a team. I wouldn’t want to be the team on the other end of that contract though. A smart agent will get him paid. I think Baker and Cousins are going get the bag. Usually, those high end contracts backfire. There's a lot of red flags with Cousins too. His last resort will be a one year prove it deal. I think he leaves Vikings to whatever team gives him the back on a multiyear deal. Edited March 3 by Humble_Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Rich7sena said: No. Let me speed-run this conversation. I'll link you a highlight reel with time stamps you could have easily searched for yourself. You'll then point out how each deep ball is not a "real" deep ball because the receiver was wide open, or had to adjust to the ball, etc. You have already dug so deep into this position that there is nothing I can show you that will change your mind. Because deep ball accuracy doesn't mean you can't throw the ball far. It means you can throw it far in stride to where the wr doesn't have to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: imagine drafting Worthy in first. Get potentially the next Tyreke hill, pair him with Tae. Have the fastest WR, and the best WR as a tandem. Plus you still have Meyers who can play the slot, and also Tucker who can play all over and more speed. Add in Jacobs/ Zeus plus an emerging Mayer. Come back and draft Pennix in the 2nd or Fields trade. imagine Pennix or Fields Jacobs/ Zeus Tae, Worthy, Meyers, Tucker Mayer this WR class A+! Take advantage free agency: G, DT, CB, another edge we need to be smart Worthy at #12 would be almost as bad as DHB at #7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said: I'm not sure what you were watching but here is every throw McCarthy made today. I thought he preformed well and showcased his skillset. They had glowing reviews of his performance at the end of the video. Based on my charting... Hit on 19 throws Missed on 8 throws Was meh on 5 throws He looked pretty good throwing to the right side of the field but missed consistently on the outside stuff to the left side of the field. The ball also seemed to hang on a couple of throws deep, reminded me of Carr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 2 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: draft that man Umm 👎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 8 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: Pennix could be a solid QB but he needs to play with a great OLine and playmakers. His ceiling cap, could be a DC type if he hits his potential If his ceiling is DC we will suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Frankie2Gunz said: He is not a day 1, plug and play Qb at 20 years old. He has the tools you look for in a franchise QB but no doubt there is risk with McCarthy as he is quite raw. He has to be well coached and given time to develop. GM/HC's will be drooling to mold JJ into their own QB on draft day. I don't see any way he makes it to 13. What are the tools that get you excited with him? I see good size, above average athleticism, above average arm strength, and average accuracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 10 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Based on my charting... Hit on 19 throws Missed on 8 throws Was meh on 5 throws He looked pretty good throwing to the right side of the field but missed consistently on the outside stuff to the left side of the field. The ball also seemed to hang on a couple of throws deep, reminded me of Carr. Still waiting on him to show me all the "many beautiful throws". You're absolutely right about the side of the field he was throwing to as well. I also noticed that. The only throws he seemed to do well on were inside, intermediate routes. If he can't hit outside the numbers, and I posted a chart that also suggests he struggled there, we should want no part of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, BobbyPhil1781 said: Still waiting on him to show me all the "many beautiful throws". You're absolutely right about the side of the field he was throwing to as well. I also noticed that. The only throws he seemed to do well on were inside, intermediate routes. If he can't hit outside the numbers, and I posted a chart that also suggests he struggled there, we should want no part of him. What I saw Slant: 4/4 good Out: 4 good / 5 misses / 2 meh Post: 2 good / meh Comeback: 3 good Go: 1 good / 3 misses Deep out: 3 good Fade: 2 good / 1 meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 4 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: this is my pick at 13. This kid can be special: https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1764027616044925351?s=20 https://x.com/RJLockedIn/status/1763721899031285798?s=20 https://x.com/CFBRep/status/1764041493302382740?s=20 He's a more athletic, fast CeeDee Lamb. Our offensive would be scary with #1 like when we had Cooper/Crabtree and Brown/Rice. Meyers can man the spot or we could play Mitchell, Meyers on the outside and move Tae around to attack defenses. Man we could be scary on offense. Then Tucker can come in for the big play deep ball. QB would be set up Nice with A level talent on offense. 2 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: imagine drafting Worthy in first. Get potentially the next Tyreke hill, pair him with Tae. Have the fastest WR, and the best WR as a tandem. Plus you still have Meyers who can play the slot, and also Tucker who can play all over and more speed. Add in Jacobs/ Zeus plus an emerging Mayer. Come back and draft Pennix in the 2nd or Fields trade. imagine Pennix or Fields Jacobs/ Zeus Tae, Worthy, Meyers, Tucker Mayer this WR class A+! Take advantage free agency: G, DT, CB, another edge we need to be smart So is Worthy the special WR we need to draft at #13 or is it Mitchell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: Surprised McCarthy isn't excelling here. This is literally geared for him. Might be hurting his stock. NFL Network's @PSchrags on J.J. McCarthy: "He went out there, competed, and threw the ball very, very well. I got a text from an NFL evaluator, very respected one saying, 'Of all these guys, McCarthy translates to the NFL the most.' He had an outstanding day out here." Edited March 3 by big_palooka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 3 Share Posted March 3 Just now, big_palooka said: https://twitter.com/i/bookmarks?post_id=1764050248442282413 You linked to a book marked post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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