Week 14 GDT: San Francisco Niners vs Houston Texans

[ET80]

So, this Tom Savage concussion is getting a lot of national attention. Pretty sure the league is going to fine McNair a ton for letting Savage go back on the field. 

Dr. Walter Lowe and his staff are very good, but this was gross negligence on everyone involved. 

[jch1911]

6 minutes ago, EliteTexan80 said:

So, this Tom Savage concussion is getting a lot of national attention. Pretty sure the league is going to fine McNair a ton for letting Savage go back on the field. 

Dr. Walter Lowe and his staff are very good, but this was gross negligence on everyone involved. 

How is Bob getting a pass in this?  As "just a coach", you can show some humanity and say my eyes saw this kid having a seizure = I am NOT putting him back in the game.

[ET80]

Just now, jch1911 said:

How is Bob getting a pass in this?  As "just a coach", you can show some humanity and say my eyes saw this kid having a seizure = I am NOT putting him back in the game.

Did he, though? As a coach on the sideline, you're not getting the 30+ views from 20+ angles like we do. I doubt fans at the game got the views we got from the broadcast. Field level, you probably just saw Savage take a tough hit and stay down for a bit, you're not seeing the convulsions and the fencing positions.

On field, concussions need to be the responsibility of the med staff and the independent neurological expert. If they drop the ball, they need to be held accountable.

[Texansfan713]

[Apollo Stallion]

1 hour ago, EliteTexan80 said:

Did he, though? As a coach on the sideline, you're not getting the 30+ views from 20+ angles like we do. I doubt fans at the game got the views we got from the broadcast. Field level, you probably just saw Savage take a tough hit and stay down for a bit, you're not seeing the convulsions and the fencing positions.

On field, concussions need to be the responsibility of the med staff and the independent neurological expert. If they drop the ball, they need to be held accountable.

Sorry there is a history here with both O'Brien and this medical staff which is verging on malpractice.  Started with public shaming of Clowney needing to suck it up as a rookie which ended up sending him to microfracture surgery, derailing two seasons and threatening the career of the #1 overall pick.   Nuk playing Thursday game after Sunday concussion.  Remember the game we started Ryan Mallett with a torn pec that probably cost us a playoff spot?  There is plenty of evidence to suggest that Watson tore his ACL in the Seahawks game then was allowed to practice undiagnosed risking further damage - RG3 level lack of oversight expecting a 22 year old rookie to complain to "old school" coach and tough guy staff.   Hell, sticking 170 lb, zero meat on his bones, Will Fuller back there returning punts was an irresponsible risk even if the ribs got broken playing the position he was drafted in the 1st for.  Remember the absurd abuse of Lamar Miller out of the gate last year (still ended with 300+ touches) with the predictable late season overuse fade we saw with Foster's post mega-contract abuse under Kubiak/Smith.  Duane Brown was rushed back to save the o-line last season and was rewarded by Rick Smith refusing to guarantee next season.  JJ Watt rushed himself back last season with seemingly no oversight in his offseason Crossfit BS that is a stupid injury risk for joe six pack better yet $100 million investment coming off back surgery.   

Fido has the makings of one hell of a lawsuit playing on back to back concussions despite history and ridiculous "deescalator clause" tied to pre-existing concussions. Ryan Griffin ain't far behind .  Remember, O'Brien was murderer Aaron Hernandez' position coach and he was reported to have had one of the most severe cases of CTE seen thus far.  Most damning, however, for both the med staff and specifically O'Brien's ignorance as a football coach needs to be the playoff game when a clearly concussed Hoyer kept being sent out there despite multiple hits to the head and clear evidence of impaired cognitive function which was absolutely repeated today with Savage with the added bonus of fencing response which is indicative of traumatic brain injury.  When the guy who's research helped lead to a BILLION dollar concussion settlement is calling out the ignorance of how Savage was handled, you've got a PROBLEM. 

Furthermore, somebody has to look into this turf as there at least seems to be some sort of causal link to all the head/turf concussions this season.  McNair has already ignored causal links and eventually lawsuits over clearly flawed turf at NRG, who is ready to discount Warden Bob again ignoring player concerns?  All of this is on top of medical failures in evaluating college injuries that scared off teams from burning 3rd round picks on Louis Nix or Brennan Williams or ditching Glover Quin for damaged goods in Ed Reed (hip tear).    This might just be the final nail that needs to be hit to end the leadership of this dysfunctional organization that would have been crucified years ago was NY or a franchise who games air outside of the 610 loop. 

[ET80]

7 minutes ago, Apollo Stallion said:

Sorry there is a history here with both O'Brien and this medical staff which is verging on malpractice.

Not disagreeing with any of your examples, but still trying to find the correlation between them and Bill O'Brien. Let's not pretend this isn't rank and file for Dr. Walter Lowe and staff during the Kubiak era either (Dunta Robinson torn hamstring essentially ruining his career, Matt Schaub and his lisfranc injury ruining his career, Andre Johnson and his knee sprain that took close to 12 weeks to heal, Steve Slaton and his neck injury, the Ed Reed hip injury...)

If these are on O'Brien, are those on Kubiak? Or is Dr. Lowe and his staff simply not getting the job done as the official medical experts of the Texans?

[amazingandre]

46 minutes ago, EliteTexan80 said:

Not disagreeing with any of your examples, but still trying to find the correlation between them and Bill O'Brien. Let's not pretend this isn't rank and file for Dr. Walter Lowe and staff during the Kubiak era either (Dunta Robinson torn hamstring essentially ruining his career, Matt Schaub and his lisfranc injury ruining his career, Andre Johnson and his knee sprain that took close to 12 weeks to heal, Steve Slaton and his neck injury, the Ed Reed hip injury...)

If these are on O'Brien, are those on Kubiak? Or is Dr. Lowe and his staff simply not getting the job done as the official medical experts of the Texans?

The ref was staring at savage as he violently shook and he most definitely had the power to remove savage and let the coaches and medical know what he saw. The entire system failed today. All should be reprimanded. 

The medical staff has a long history of failing our team and players. I would fire them and find new ones. Houston is known for their world renowned medical professionals. I’m sure they could find another crew. 

I put the blame on Smith for this as well. He’s been here long enough to see the mishaps over and over again and is in charge of all football operations. Savage should sue them all. 

[jch1911]

2 hours ago, EliteTexan80 said:

Did he, though? As a coach on the sideline, you're not getting the 30+ views from 20+ angles like we do. I doubt fans at the game got the views we got from the broadcast. Field level, you probably just saw Savage take a tough hit and stay down for a bit, you're not seeing the convulsions and the fencing positions.

On field, concussions need to be the responsibility of the med staff and the independent neurological expert. If they drop the ball, they need to be held accountable.

Somebody in that stadium was watching... Moreover, by all accounts Savage had trouble after it happened just understanding where he was at.

At QB, a head coach should be able to notice that.

EDIT: Spoke to a friend who was at the game.  She said to her Savage looked bad on the play where he was hurt.  She's a nurse and she  thought he was probably concussed after the tackle from the sheer number of tacklers who fell on him and the way he landed. .She did not see the tremors or the like at that time, however.

[Apollo Stallion]

19 hours ago, EliteTexan80 said:

Not disagreeing with any of your examples, but still trying to find the correlation between them and Bill O'Brien. Let's not pretend this isn't rank and file for Dr. Walter Lowe and staff during the Kubiak era either (Dunta Robinson torn hamstring essentially ruining his career, Matt Schaub and his lisfranc injury ruining his career, Andre Johnson and his knee sprain that took close to 12 weeks to heal, Steve Slaton and his neck injury, the Ed Reed hip injury...)

If these are on O'Brien, are those on Kubiak? Or is Dr. Lowe and his staff simply not getting the job done as the official medical experts of the Texans?

Not saying it's ALL on O'Brien.  Everyone has responsibilities and culpability.  Leaving the player safety issue aside for a second, what is unfathomable to me is that twice now O'Brien has put quarterbacks out there lacking the cognitive ability to execute plays or function.  You bench players who make bad plays all the time.  Are you telling me he did not communicate with Hoyer or Savage at all or wasn't able to determine something was wrong when they couldn't function.  Re-watch the Hoyer plays - dude was not there.  Savage just stood there and threw balls at feet because his brain wasn't processing information.  From a pure football standpoint how do you not have awareness that those players can't execute the plays.  You wouldn't have a WR who appeared to tweak a hammy out there running the next play, if only because he's not going to get open if he can't run.  How the hell do you not know that your QB's mind is a pretty important part of his ability to operate the team.  He's the friggin OC and calling plays.  It's his job to know!  For a smart guy, O'Brien really acts like a dumb meathead PE coach for too often.