Art_Vandalay Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 37 minutes ago, typecast said: Game Winning Drive (GWD) is not Fourth Quarter Comeback (4QC) Gotchya. But my original comment was 4QC. Side note: The Packers had the worst defense in the league in 2011 (in terms of ypg). The fact that Aaron only had to engineer one 4QC is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Also, is Purdy supposed to play badly for 3 quarters so he has a chance to fix the mess he made in the 4th? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Just now, scar988 said: IDK, the Eagles are pretty close. LBs and safeties are trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Just now, Art_Vandalay said: LBs and safeties are trash. Kevin Byard? Dude's an All-Pro. Reed Blankenship is having a good year. LB's agreed. Unless Shaq Leonard turns back into his old self. But they have a QB, WR pair, top level TE, Fantastic OL. It's not one to one to the 49ers, but it's still a damn good team. And talent level is right there with San Fran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typecast Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, Art_Vandalay said: Gotchya. But my original comment was 4QC. Yea. Which is why I said GWD isn't the same as 4QC. The images you posted credited those quarterbacks with GWD, not 4QC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, Art_Vandalay said: LBs and safeties are trash. But isn't the forest from the trees here that we are now saying: The reason Brock gets excluded from the MVP convo and Jalen Hurts doesn't is because his "LBs and safeties are trash". You can see how a relatively neutral-ish Chiefs fan like myself might consider that kind of splitting hairs, right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Just now, jonnguy2015 said: Also, is Purdy supposed to play badly for 3 quarters so he has a chance to fix the mess he made in the 4th? Still missing the point. Purdy is obviously a big reason for their overall success. A valuable QB is one that when the team isn't playing up to par or they're missing key players, The QB can overcome it and lead them to victory. Excluding the games they lost, the defense has allowed 13 points per game... 13. How do we know how "Valuable" the guy is if the only time the team has ever needed him to step up late in games, he failed. Dak vs SEA: "Dak, our defense is getting obliterated. We need you to carry us to victory." ... "I gotchyou, boss" Tua vs LAC: "Tua, our defense is getting obliterated. We need you to carry us to victory." ... "I gotchyou, boss" Hurts vs BUF: "Jalen, our defense is getting obliterated and Lane's out. We need you to carry us to victory." ... "I gotchyou, boss" Purdy vs CLE/MIN/CIN: "Brock, we're down Deebo and Trent. We need you to carry us to victory" ... *poop sounds* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 10 minutes ago, typecast said: Yea. Which is why I said GWD isn't the same as 4QC. The images you posted credited those quarterbacks with GWD, not 4QC. Ah, my bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnguy2015 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Art_Vandalay said: Purdy vs CLE/MIN/CIN: "Brock, we're down Deebo and Trent. We need you to carry us to victory" ... *poop sounds* He led them down the field and into field goal range against arguably the best defense in the league and down two of his best skill players. He can't control whether the kicker makes the game-winner or not Edited December 8, 2023 by jonnguy2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typecast Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, jonnguy2015 said: Also, is Purdy supposed to play badly for 3 quarters so he has a chance to fix the mess he made in the 4th? For Brock Purdy to be in the MVP conversation (maybe MVP? I lost track), he must: Be in the broadcast promo package, Not wear a backwards hat, Have 40+ TDs and 12+ Wins with 0 YAC, Kill his backup quarterback(s), Not play with offensive skill players, Suck to the point the system is considered bad enough other players couldn't be projected as a MVP candidate in it, Play amazingly such that Purdy could be projected to carry any team to a Super Bowl win on his own, Be either an All-Pro or a Hall of Famer, and Win a game from behind in the 4th quarter or by game-winning drive (I don't know which, it's still being determined) I probably missed a goal post or seven. Edited December 8, 2023 by typecast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Amazing stuff from Dak. No notes, great PSA 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIllg Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Forge said: Amazing stuff from Dak. No notes, great PSA This is a true delight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, Forge said: Amazing stuff from Dak. No notes, great PSA Old timey prospectors. Marine Life. Large Predatory Birds. LMAO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
typecast Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Forge said: Amazing stuff from Dak. No notes, great PSA Dak's "Here We Go" cadence is now going to invoke this every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Soggust said: But isn't the forest from the trees here that we are now saying: The reason Brock gets excluded from the MVP convo and Jalen Hurts doesn't is because his "LBs and safeties are trash". You can see how a relatively neutral-ish Chiefs fan like myself might consider that kind of splitting hairs, right? I feel like I have to just keep repeating the definition of valuable. "Art, you're taking valuable to literally." How tf else should I interpret it? lol Let's say this... Peyton Manning one year is on a team where the defense allows 13 pts per game in the games they win. They finish 13-4. Peyton Manning the following year is on a team where the defense allows 22 pts per game in they games the win. They finish 13-4. Regardless of those stats, he's still a great QB, right? Nothing changes that. But which year is he more valuable to his team? Just simply going by the definition of valuable, he deserves the MVP less that first year even despite his numbers and wins. Because his defense is significantly worse the following year, he in turn has to do more heavy lifting to get those wins. Therefore, he is more valuable to his team the following year. "So you're telling me QBs on elite teams with elite defenses and elite running games shouldn't win MVP?" Yes, that is what I'm saying. Edited December 8, 2023 by Art_Vandalay spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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