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Priority is keeping Love clean.  Continuity counts.  Don't want a high priced RB who may or may not fit the locker room.  I only have three CBs who I would take in the first round and they'll probably be gone by 25.  Don't need RAS warriors either, we need some football players who can make plays. 

Modest spending:

Safety Jordan Fuller (Rams)  IDK the cost.  familiar with DC system

Resign three UFAs:

K Nixon   ST, cheap veteran depth  one year $2M

AJ Dillon  won't cost much, will take on much of Deguara's role. good blocker, knows system, will be on STs also.  two years $6.5M

Jonathan Owens  Safety, vet minimum, not great but will provide experience, one of the few guys who would hit someone last year.  Might just be a camp body.

Just the first six picks:

#25-  OT  Jordan Morgan  6'6" 320  Out of Arizona,  Swing to start then competing and pushing Walker.

#41-  LB  Payton Wilson   6'4"  238  NC State, Butkus award winner.  Injury red flag, but stayed healthy last year. 

#58-  S   Javon Bullard   5'10" 200   Georgia   Just got a feeling he is what we're looking for in a Safety,  can play a little slot.  Better pro than college

#88-  CB Max Melton   5'11"   190   Rutgers   wish he was a little more physical, but he can cover.  Raw talent for the CB room

#91-   IOL  Dom Puni    6'4"   320   Kansas   college OT but will be back up G/C for us.  Some Zach Tom vibes from him.

#127-  RB  Ray Davis   5'10"  215   Kentucky   was Mr. Everything for Kentucky, needs work on Pass Pro

 

Rest of the draft will be lottery picks in the DBs and LBs. And maybe big old fat guy on the DL. 

Two of my favorite sleepers are LB Gibbs from Wyoming, LB Sirmon from Cal

 

 

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6 hours ago, MaximusGluteus said:

If we take Jordan Morgan at 25 I will riot.

I don't know much about this guy as a player, but we've had so much success with offensive linemen later, why not keep doing what is working. 

I don't hate the idea if we get a complete stud OT and again, I don't know much about Jordan Morgan. 

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2 hours ago, Old Guy said:

I don't know much about this guy as a player, but we've had so much success with offensive linemen later, why not keep doing what is working. 

I don't hate the idea if we get a complete stud OT and again, I don't know much about Jordan Morgan. 

He's not a stud.  Not even close.

But yeah, we do really well finding OL on days 2 and 3.  Like you said, if there is an OT at your pick in round 1 who's a stud then yeah, go for it.  But Jordan Morgan isn't that guy.

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On 2/29/2024 at 7:54 AM, MaximusGluteus said:

He's not a stud.  Not even close.

But yeah, we do really well finding OL on days 2 and 3.  Like you said, if there is an OT at your pick in round 1 who's a stud then yeah, go for it.  But Jordan Morgan isn't that guy.

Ok, but there are no studs available at 25, except Payton Wilson. (But we're not taking oft injured Off the ball LB in round one)

So, you gonna burn that pick on a DB? We don't have a great track record for early picks there either. Rakestraw? The corner with no interceptions? No thanks.

We should take a trade back if possible. Otherwise, positional value coupled with the priority of keeping Love upright? Yes, a very good pass pro LT doesn't seem like a bad option.

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I seem to recall hearing that Morgan had a nice week at the Senior Bowl.

From the little I've seen of him, I'm not overly high on him going inside to guard.  Not nearly as high on him doing that as I am Fautanu.  (sp)  I even think Barton is a better candidate to flip inside.  (And I know other draft pundits really like his potential as a guard.)

Because of that, I'd have him under those two guys on whatever list is created for OT's.

And while I like Morgan, I too do not like the pick in the first round.  As stated, via a trade down?  Yah, no problem.  

The issue, is as stated....this draft class.  Personally, I hope we trade down.  If not, I hope we take a swing on big upside with our pick.

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1 hour ago, Dubz41 said:

Ok, but there are no studs available at 25, except Payton Wilson. (But we're not taking oft injured Off the ball LB in round one)

So, you gonna burn that pick on a DB? We don't have a great track record for early picks there either. Rakestraw? The corner with no interceptions? No thanks.

I really think there’s a good chance we end up with Darius Robinson in a scenario like this. I just have this gut feeling that Gute is going to take a DE I am not a fan of. I’ve been too happy with the last couple drafts. I agree that the corner class isn’t as inspiring as everyone thinks, especially for what GB likes. I do think Morgan is a legit possibility at 25 (and Kiper, who may be lazy, but is nonetheless NFL connected, does think he’s a late 1st guy).

But I can’t shake Robinson from my mind. 

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10 hours ago, Dubz41 said:

Ok, but there are no studs available at 25, except Payton Wilson. (But we're not taking oft injured Off the ball LB in round one)

So, you gonna burn that pick on a DB? We don't have a great track record for early picks there either. Rakestraw? The corner with no interceptions? No thanks.

We should take a trade back if possible. Otherwise, positional value coupled with the priority of keeping Love upright? Yes, a very good pass pro LT doesn't seem like a bad option.

I have two main issues with Morgan, one of which is correctable (if he takes to coaching) and the other might or might not be, depending on his mental make up.  First, the way he swings his arms in a wide circle when engaging is going to get him into tons of trouble.  NFL pass rushers are going to be in his chest and have him in the QB's lap before he can even blink.  He got caught with this several times just in Senior Bowl 1-on-1s and he ended up bear hugging the defender and getting pushed straight back.  These dudes can and often do get away with dog**** technique in college but they end up struggling in the NFL.  Second, and most importantly, is that he far too often plays lazy and soft.  He can be really passive when engaging, and I swear he counts to 3 in his head and then just stops and watches the play from there.  It's maddening.  He does have some good reps on tape, but I'm often left questioning why he only plays like that about half the time.  I'm not interested in a guy who takes plays off.  There's no reason for him to go before round 3 IMO, and that's IF an OL coach thinks he can tap into something there.  Maybe I'll be wrong about him (wouldn't be the first time), but I just don't trust him at all.

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Unless somebody slips, I'd be in favor of a trade down.  Once you get past a certain point in this first round, the talent kind of blends together.  At 25, I move down and get more bites of the apple unless somebody fell to 25.

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On 2/29/2024 at 4:39 AM, Dubz41 said:

Priority is keeping Love clean.  Continuity counts.  Don't want a high priced RB who may or may not fit the locker room.  I only have three CBs who I would take in the first round and they'll probably be gone by 25.  Don't need RAS warriors either, we need some football players who can make plays. 

Just the first six picks:

#25-  OT  Jordan Morgan  6'6" 320  Out of Arizona,  Swing to start then competing and pushing Walker.

So the 7th or 8th best offensive tackle in this class is the best value pick available at #25 ?

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5 hours ago, OneTwoSixFive said:

So the 7th or 8th best offensive tackle in this class is the best value pick available at #25 ?

I don't think that was said anywhere. I am not interested in RTs only. There are plenty in this draft. 

There are a fair share of draftniks who have Morgan in the top 30.

Done defending him. There were 5 other picks in my mock.

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7 hours ago, Dubz41 said:

I don't think that was said anywhere. I am not interested in RTs only. There are plenty in this draft. 

There are a fair share of draftniks who have Morgan in the top 30.

Done defending him. There were 5 other picks in my mock.

I quite liked the other picks. I would be willing to take a chance on ILB Wilson's health in round 2, just like I would take a chance on RB Jonathan Brooks if he were an option somewhere in round 3.

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5 hours ago, OneTwoSixFive said:

I quite liked the other picks. I would be willing to take a chance on ILB Wilson's health in round 2, just like I would take a chance on RB Jonathan Brooks if he were an option somewhere in round 3.

Would like to hear how any of the teams feel about the medical on either Wilson or Brooks. Well guarded opinions. Also like RB Wright from Tennessee, seems to have explosive traits.

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6 hours ago, Dubz41 said:

Would like to hear how any of the teams feel about the medical on either Wilson or Brooks. Well guarded opinions. Also like RB Wright from Tennessee, seems to have explosive traits.

Check out RB Isaac Guerendo.

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2 hours ago, OneTwoSixFive said:

Check out RB Isaac Guerendo.

He sure has the numbers to catch your attention. Just wonder if he's got enough wiggle to be the man? 

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