plan9misfit Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 46 minutes ago, D82 said: You're eventually going to have to pay a QB, and the market is only going to continue to grow. A smart GM will figure out how to balance those numbers to not only carry their elite MVP-candidate QB, but how to put and keep those pieces in place around him that will allow him and the team to compete for a Super Bowl year in and year out. Jerry isn't that. He's shown in the 30+ years after Jimmy and he parted ways he has no idea what he's doing. They wasted the careers of Romo, Ware, Witten, etc. and are now wasting the careers of Dak, Lamb, Smith, Martin, etc. because they refuse to truly go "all-in" even though they are really the only "GM" in the NFL who could do so with very little blowback. No one is going to fire them - so why not go out and get those pieces to really compete? I’m well aware of that. I was one of the first people to point that out on this forum nearly 20 years ago. I was insulted and called a “pessimist”. Not so much anymore, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 50 minutes ago, plan9misfit said: I’m well aware of that. I was one of the first people to point that out on this forum nearly 20 years ago. I was insulted and called a “pessimist”. Not so much anymore, though. It's just insane how they found two elite level QBs, one an undrafted FA and another a 4th round pick and managed to piss away the careers of both of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddHatter Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 28 minutes ago, D82 said: It's just insane how they found two elite level QBs, one an undrafted FA and another a 4th round pick and managed to piss away the careers of both of them. What do you mean by wasted their careers? They’re basically maxing out the cap each year, drafting great players, bringing in strong coaches, etc. What are they not doing that Kraft, Hunt, others are? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
textaz03 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 24 minutes ago, MaddHatter said: What do you mean by wasted their careers? They’re basically maxing out the cap each year, drafting great players, bringing in strong coaches, etc. What are they not doing that Kraft, Hunt, others are? Wasting them by never fully being able to put it all together. Wasting them by not getting past the Divisional Round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddHatter Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 15 minutes ago, textaz03 said: Wasting them by never fully being able to put it all together. Wasting them by not getting past the Divisional Round. How much of that is on Jerry and Stephen though vs how much is on just crazy circumstances? As owner/GM you can only give them the right pieces and ingredients, they have to cook. Romo botched FG hold, Dez catches it, Def doesn’t give up 70yds in 12 seconds, etc. So many “could haves” that bounced the wrong way to lay all the blame on Jerry. Jason Garrett wasnt a bad hire at the time, and could have been a McVay/McDaniel - we had success under him and many liked the hire at the time. McCarthy was a proven winner with playoff success and a ring. Not sure who was available at the time that would have been better, but after Jason I don’t think we were going to go after another unproven Coordinator. As much as people wanted us to get Sean Payton, his tenure in Denver is looking horrible. Then you look at the drafts and we have hit more times than most teams. You look at FA and we haven’t been overpaying for talent but finding good players for good contracts. Most of our overpaying has been keeping our own guys. I didn’t like the Zeke deal, but DLaw and Dak made sense and still do. Lamb and Micah will be next. Martin Tyron and Travis as well. Other than the players and coaches actually executing, I don’t see what the Jones did to “waste” Romo/Ware/etc career any more than those players wasted it themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 hours ago, D82 said: It's just insane how they found two elite level QBs, one an undrafted FA and another a 4th round pick and managed to piss away the careers of both of them. I wouldn’t calk either Romo or Dak elite. The reason that neither had any appreciable success isn’t just due to coaching. It’s because neither were elite level players. At some point, people need to recognize that we haven’t had an elite level QB in decades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PincheJimmy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 12 hours ago, MaddHatter said: What do you mean by wasted their careers? They’re basically maxing out the cap each year, drafting great players, bringing in strong coaches, etc. What are they not doing that Kraft, Hunt, others are? If you don’t win the Superbowl , the whole season is a waste apparently and you waste the careers of talented players. It’s win it all or your season is a failure 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7188 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Best of luck to Tyron. I hope he does win a ring elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 Seems like there might still be some mutual interest in making something happen here and Tyron returning for another season. This would be ideal tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddHatter Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Perhaps he just wanted to test the market and see what his value was before signing what the Cowboys were offering. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
textaz03 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 24 minutes ago, MaddHatter said: Perhaps he just wanted to test the market and see what his value was before signing what the Cowboys were offering. Which is crazy cause Tyron has always taken team friendly deals to help us out. Wish Dak would actually follow suit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 7 hours ago, textaz03 said: Which is crazy cause Tyron has always taken team friendly deals to help us out. Wish Dak would actually follow suit. Good luck with that. It’s why I’d let him walk. If you know that he’s incapable of winning a Super Bowl with the existing roster, taking home a greater chunk of cap, and thus reducing the number of talented players on the team, lessens the possibility even more. It not only makes the team worse, but divides fans along the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas94Ware Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 On 3/4/2024 at 7:50 PM, D82 said: It's just insane how they found two elite level QBs, one an undrafted FA and another a 4th round pick and managed to piss away the careers of both of them. Well, this is fairly accurate to a point only. It doesn't take into account the events that unfolded in the years those two QBs were really poised and in position to make some real playoff magic happen. And those things were out of the control of anyone in the front office or standing on the sidelines! That Patrick Crayton drop against the Giants was the epitome of the worst timing for a consistently clutch receiver to simply not be what he had been all season. The team was loaded with overachievers, but was still a pretty stacked team. And Romo got them where they needed to be, making another miracle late game rally (for all of his quirks and all the jokes, Romo was actually one of the leagues best at the time at leading the late game comeback). Only for Crayton to just...drop the ball, and drop the game. The league screwed Romo and the Cowboys another season a few years later by apparently thinking that switching the ball from one hand to another, turning and DIVING TO THE END ZONE is not a "football move." But overall, that team was deeply talented, disciplined, and in position to do something special. 4th down and you're throwing deep down the sideline for a score? That's moxie. That's balls. And that should have won the game and sent this team to the NFC title game, where I don't think anyone would have really stood a chance. Then there was Aaron Rodgers. Single handedly eliminating Dallas not once but twice, making miracles rain from the football heavens as the gods owed him multiple favors. That throw across the field to that no name right end with like 40 seconds to go is easily one of football historys most magic moments - and a moment that broke Cowboys fans hearts, as once more that was a team that, while lacking experience at QB, had the run game and the defense and the high efficiency passing game to compete with anyone. If ever there was a team set to make a run when the odds were completely against them with a young passer no one expected to be anything let alone have to start, that was the year. Yes, in between all of that, there was some real squandering going on at times. Bad roster decisions, failures to capitalize on great situations by doubling down, sticking with a coach for way too long while not retaining key on the field pieces. And I'm hingsight we absolutely have the luxury of saying wow, those were some bad choices. But at the time, not all of them looked as bad as they do now. But still, they did miss their chances at times, to capitalize on the careers of Romo and Prescott. But that doesn't mean there weren't absolutely prime chances for the team to do something special, that they squandered themselves with drops, lost out on cause of bad officiating, or had wiped out by the magic of one of the greatest players in the 100+ year history of the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northland Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 On 3/5/2024 at 8:48 AM, PincheJimmy said: If you don’t win the Superbowl , the whole season is a waste apparently and you waste the careers of talented players. It’s win it all or your season is a failure 🤷♂️ It's hard to win a championship. That being said, the fans get restless when your franchise has five playoff wins since their last championship 28 years ago. The fans get restless when the owner/GM declares he is "all in" this off season and proceeds to do very little to date to improve the roster. A roster, by the way, that was destroyed by the Packers in the playoffs. The lack of post season success can't be due to bad luck or the refs hating Dallas. There has to be something deeper that has caused talented rosters to consistently fail come playoff time. It's not just fans who are frustrated. Former Cowboy greats have called out the club recently. This fan has become indifferent. If they win great. If they don't it's no big deal. It's not necessarily win it all or your season is a failure. It's could we experience a playoff run one of these years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D82 Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 3 minutes ago, Northland said: It's hard to win a championship. That being said, the fans get restless when your franchise has five playoff wins since their last championship 28 years ago. The fans get restless when the owner/GM declares he is "all in" this off season and proceeds to do very little to date to improve the roster. A roster, by the way, that was destroyed by the Packers in the playoffs. The lack of post season success can't be due to bad luck or the refs hating Dallas. There has to be something deeper that has caused talented rosters to consistently fail come playoff time. It's not just fans who are frustrated. Former Cowboy greats have called out the club recently. This fan has become indifferent. If they win great. If they don't it's no big deal. It's not necessarily win it all or your season is a failure. It's could we experience a playoff run one of these years? Poor coaching, a lack of a championship culture, a front office that refuses to take chances now and basically uses the team to fund their other investment opportunities. And fans buy into it year after year and therefore continue to go to games and buy merchandise which only further aides in the repetitive cycle this franchise seems to be stuck in now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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