Soko Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Sort of an open to interpretation type question. Barry Sanders was really hard to bring down, so was Earl Campbell - just for different reasons. I immediately thought of power backs and guys that break tackles even with a defender making solid contact. Fournette and Hunt came to mind immediately. Bell, especially when he’s gets in one of those “playing angry” zones that he has been in lately (especially vs Cincy). Shady and Kamara will juke you out of your shoes and eat more contact than you’d think for guys that quick/of that size. Haven’t watched enough of Duke Johnson to really comment. Dion Lewis is very shifty and been taking contact better than usual - his injury history and following pitch count keep him out of the conversation though. I think Gurley and Freeman are good balances of guys that can make you miss - especially in the open field - and also move the pile. David Johnson and Zeke too, when they’re on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 I miss Mike Alstott. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Kamara, Gurley, Bell, Hunt to name a few. Lynch as well. He was 3rd in the league in broken tackles, per touch, which someone alluded to. Have never understood the hate for him this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 5 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Kamara, Gurley, Bell, Hunt to name a few. Lynch as well. He was 3rd in the league in broken tackles, per touch, which someone alluded to. Have never understood the hate for him this year. He finished the season 8th in total BT's and 5th in BT per touch amongst all players with at least 200 touches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Top 40 in total broken tackles amongst all players (min 100 touches) Player Team Pos Broken Tackles RK BT on Runs RK BT on Rec RK Touches BT/Touch Kareem Hunt KC RB 89 1 69 1 20 11 325 27.40% Le'Veon Bell PIT RB 79 2 52 5 27 4 406 19.50% Todd Gurley LARM RB 79 2 52 5 27 4 343 23.00% Melvin Gordon LAC RB 73 4 55 3 18 13 342 21.30% Alvin Kamara NO RB 66 5 34 19 32 1 201 32.80% Alex Collins BAL RB 64 6 53 4 11 30 235 27.20% LeSean McCoy BUF RB 61 7 45 11 16 18 346 17.60% Marshawn Lynch OAK RB 60 8 51 8 9 51 227 26.40% Dion Lewis NE RB 60 8 52 5 8 62 212 28.30% Devonta Freeman ATL RB 59 10 49 9 10 40 232 25.40% Jay Ajayi PHI RB 59 10 56 2 3 160 232 25.40% Mark Ingram NO RB 56 12 39 15 17 15 288 19.40% Leonard Fournette JAC RB 55 13 48 10 7 72 304 18.10% Carlos Hyde SF RB 52 14 45 11 7 72 299 17.40% Duke Johnson CLE RB 51 15 21 35 30 2 156 32.70% LeGarrette Blount PHI RB 48 16 45 11 3 160 181 26.50% C.J. Anderson DEN RB 47 17 36 17 11 30 273 17.20% Christian McCaffrey CAR RB 47 17 20 36 27 4 197 23.90% Derrick Henry TEN RB 45 19 41 14 4 133 187 24.10% Jerick McKinnon MIN RB 43 20 33 20 10 40 201 21.40% Jordan Howard CHI RB 42 21 39 15 3 160 299 14.00% Ezekiel Elliott DAL RB 42 21 35 18 7 72 268 15.70% Frank Gore IND RB 41 23 33 20 8 62 290 14.10% DeMarco Murray TEN RB 40 24 28 26 12 27 223 17.90% Kenyan Drake MIA RB 39 25 31 22 8 62 165 23.60% Bilal Powell NYJ RB 36 26 27 28 9 51 201 17.90% Lamar Miller HOU RB 34 27 24 29 10 40 274 12.40% Latavius Murray MIN RB 34 27 29 25 5 118 231 14.70% Jonathan Stewart CAR RB 34 27 30 23 4 133 206 16.50% Samaje Perine WAS RB 34 27 23 31 11 30 197 17.30% Tarik Cohen CHI RB 33 31 11 58 22 8 140 23.60% Isaiah Crowell CLE RB 32 32 22 33 10 40 234 13.70% Tevin Coleman ATL RB 31 33 22 33 9 51 183 16.90% Adrian Peterson ARI RB 31 33 30 23 1 256 167 18.60% Wayne Gallman NYG RB 31 33 24 29 7 72 145 21.40% Theo Riddick DET RB 31 33 11 58 20 11 137 22.60% Alfred Morris DAL RB 30 37 28 26 2 207 122 24.60% Chris Thompson WAS RB 29 38 19 39 10 40 103 28.20% Antonio Brown PIT WR 29 38 0 29 3 101 28.70% Matt Forte NYJ RB 28 40 17 46 11 30 140 20.00% Top 40 in total broken tackles per touch amongst all players (min 100 touches) Player Team Pos Broken Tackles RK BT on Runs RK BT on Rec RK Touches BT/Touch Alvin Kamara NO RB 66 5 34 19 32 1 201 32.80% Duke Johnson CLE RB 51 15 21 35 30 2 156 32.70% Antonio Brown PIT WR 29 38 0 29 3 101 28.70% Dion Lewis NE RB 60 8 52 5 8 62 212 28.30% Chris Thompson WAS RB 29 38 19 39 10 40 103 28.20% Kareem Hunt KC RB 89 1 69 1 20 11 325 27.40% Alex Collins BAL RB 64 6 53 4 11 30 235 27.20% LeGarrette Blount PHI RB 48 16 45 11 3 160 181 26.50% Marshawn Lynch OAK RB 60 8 51 8 9 51 227 26.40% Devonta Freeman ATL RB 59 10 49 9 10 40 232 25.40% Jay Ajayi PHI RB 59 10 56 2 3 160 232 25.40% Alfred Morris DAL RB 30 37 28 26 2 207 122 24.60% Derrick Henry TEN RB 45 19 41 14 4 133 187 24.10% Christian McCaffrey CAR RB 47 17 20 36 27 4 197 23.90% Kenyan Drake MIA RB 39 25 31 22 8 62 165 23.60% Tarik Cohen CHI RB 33 31 11 58 22 8 140 23.60% Todd Gurley LARM RB 79 2 52 5 27 4 343 23.00% Theo Riddick DET RB 31 33 11 58 20 11 137 22.60% Jerick McKinnon MIN RB 43 20 33 20 10 40 201 21.40% Wayne Gallman NYG RB 31 33 24 29 7 72 145 21.40% Melvin Gordon LAC RB 73 4 55 3 18 13 342 21.30% Elijah McGuire NYJ RB 22 51 17 46 5 118 105 21.00% Chris Ivory JAC RB 27 41 18 43 9 51 133 20.30% Marlon Mack IND RB 23 44 17 46 6 93 114 20.20% Matt Forte NYJ RB 28 40 17 46 11 30 140 20.00% Le'Veon Bell PIT RB 79 2 52 5 27 4 406 19.50% Mark Ingram NO RB 56 12 39 15 17 15 288 19.40% Adrian Peterson ARI RB 31 33 30 23 1 256 167 18.60% Leonard Fournette JAC RB 55 13 48 10 7 72 304 18.10% DeMarco Murray TEN RB 40 24 28 26 12 27 223 17.90% Bilal Powell NYJ RB 36 26 27 28 9 51 201 17.90% LeSean McCoy BUF RB 61 7 45 11 16 18 346 17.60% Carlos Hyde SF RB 52 14 45 11 7 72 299 17.40% Samaje Perine WAS RB 34 27 23 31 11 30 197 17.30% C.J. Anderson DEN RB 47 17 36 17 11 30 273 17.20% Tevin Coleman ATL RB 31 33 22 33 9 51 183 16.90% Jonathan Stewart CAR RB 34 27 30 23 4 133 206 16.50% Devontae Booker DEN RB 18 60 12 55 6 93 109 16.50% Ezekiel Elliott DAL RB 42 21 35 18 7 72 268 15.70% Kerwynn Williams ARI RB 20 57 20 36 0 130 15.40% Keenan Allen LAC WR 16 65 0 16 18 104 15.40% Giovani Bernard CIN RB 22 51 15 49 7 72 148 14.90% Latavius Murray MIN RB 34 27 29 25 5 118 231 14.70% Frank Gore IND RB 41 23 33 20 8 62 290 14.10% Jordan Howard CHI RB 42 21 39 15 3 160 299 14.00% Isaiah Crowell CLE RB 32 32 22 33 10 40 234 13.70% Ameer Abdullah DET RB 26 42 23 31 3 160 190 13.70% Michael Thomas NO WR 14 75 0 14 23 104 13.50% Jarvis Landry MIA WR 15 69 0 15 21 113 13.30% Jamaal Williams GB RB 23 44 19 39 4 133 178 12.90% Peyton Barber TB RB 16 65 13 51 3 160 124 12.90% Lamar Miller HOU RB 34 27 24 29 10 40 274 12.40% Javorius Allen BAL RB 22 51 18 43 4 133 199 11.10% Joe Mixon CIN RB 22 51 20 36 2 207 208 10.60% Orleans Darkwa NYG RB 18 60 13 51 5 118 190 9.50% Matt Breida SF RB 12 85 10 64 2 207 126 9.50% Doug Martin TB RB 12 85 9 68 3 160 147 8.20% Mike Gillislee NE RB 8 119 8 71 0 105 7.60% Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR 8 119 0 8 62 109 7.30% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 10 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said: Top 40 in total broken tackles amongst all players (min 100 touches) Player Team Pos Broken Tackles RK BT on Runs RK BT on Rec RK Touches BT/Touch Kareem Hunt KC RB 89 1 69 1 20 11 325 27.40% Le'Veon Bell PIT RB 79 2 52 5 27 4 406 19.50% Todd Gurley LARM RB 79 2 52 5 27 4 343 23.00% Melvin Gordon LAC RB 73 4 55 3 18 13 342 21.30% Alvin Kamara NO RB 66 5 34 19 32 1 201 32.80% Alex Collins BAL RB 64 6 53 4 11 30 235 27.20% LeSean McCoy BUF RB 61 7 45 11 16 18 346 17.60% Marshawn Lynch OAK RB 60 8 51 8 9 51 227 26.40% Dion Lewis NE RB 60 8 52 5 8 62 212 28.30% Devonta Freeman ATL RB 59 10 49 9 10 40 232 25.40% Jay Ajayi PHI RB 59 10 56 2 3 160 232 25.40% Mark Ingram NO RB 56 12 39 15 17 15 288 19.40% Leonard Fournette JAC RB 55 13 48 10 7 72 304 18.10% Carlos Hyde SF RB 52 14 45 11 7 72 299 17.40% Duke Johnson CLE RB 51 15 21 35 30 2 156 32.70% LeGarrette Blount PHI RB 48 16 45 11 3 160 181 26.50% C.J. Anderson DEN RB 47 17 36 17 11 30 273 17.20% Christian McCaffrey CAR RB 47 17 20 36 27 4 197 23.90% Derrick Henry TEN RB 45 19 41 14 4 133 187 24.10% Jerick McKinnon MIN RB 43 20 33 20 10 40 201 21.40% Jordan Howard CHI RB 42 21 39 15 3 160 299 14.00% Ezekiel Elliott DAL RB 42 21 35 18 7 72 268 15.70% Frank Gore IND RB 41 23 33 20 8 62 290 14.10% DeMarco Murray TEN RB 40 24 28 26 12 27 223 17.90% Kenyan Drake MIA RB 39 25 31 22 8 62 165 23.60% Bilal Powell NYJ RB 36 26 27 28 9 51 201 17.90% Lamar Miller HOU RB 34 27 24 29 10 40 274 12.40% Latavius Murray MIN RB 34 27 29 25 5 118 231 14.70% Jonathan Stewart CAR RB 34 27 30 23 4 133 206 16.50% Samaje Perine WAS RB 34 27 23 31 11 30 197 17.30% Tarik Cohen CHI RB 33 31 11 58 22 8 140 23.60% Isaiah Crowell CLE RB 32 32 22 33 10 40 234 13.70% Tevin Coleman ATL RB 31 33 22 33 9 51 183 16.90% Adrian Peterson ARI RB 31 33 30 23 1 256 167 18.60% Wayne Gallman NYG RB 31 33 24 29 7 72 145 21.40% Theo Riddick DET RB 31 33 11 58 20 11 137 22.60% Alfred Morris DAL RB 30 37 28 26 2 207 122 24.60% Chris Thompson WAS RB 29 38 19 39 10 40 103 28.20% Antonio Brown PIT WR 29 38 0 29 3 101 28.70% Matt Forte NYJ RB 28 40 17 46 11 30 140 20.00% Top 40 in total broken tackles per touch amongst all players (min 100 touches) Player Team Pos Broken Tackles RK BT on Runs RK BT on Rec RK Touches BT/Touch Alvin Kamara NO RB 66 5 34 19 32 1 201 32.80% Duke Johnson CLE RB 51 15 21 35 30 2 156 32.70% Antonio Brown PIT WR 29 38 0 29 3 101 28.70% Dion Lewis NE RB 60 8 52 5 8 62 212 28.30% Chris Thompson WAS RB 29 38 19 39 10 40 103 28.20% Kareem Hunt KC RB 89 1 69 1 20 11 325 27.40% Alex Collins BAL RB 64 6 53 4 11 30 235 27.20% LeGarrette Blount PHI RB 48 16 45 11 3 160 181 26.50% Marshawn Lynch OAK RB 60 8 51 8 9 51 227 26.40% Devonta Freeman ATL RB 59 10 49 9 10 40 232 25.40% Jay Ajayi PHI RB 59 10 56 2 3 160 232 25.40% Alfred Morris DAL RB 30 37 28 26 2 207 122 24.60% Derrick Henry TEN RB 45 19 41 14 4 133 187 24.10% Christian McCaffrey CAR RB 47 17 20 36 27 4 197 23.90% Kenyan Drake MIA RB 39 25 31 22 8 62 165 23.60% Tarik Cohen CHI RB 33 31 11 58 22 8 140 23.60% Todd Gurley LARM RB 79 2 52 5 27 4 343 23.00% Theo Riddick DET RB 31 33 11 58 20 11 137 22.60% Jerick McKinnon MIN RB 43 20 33 20 10 40 201 21.40% Wayne Gallman NYG RB 31 33 24 29 7 72 145 21.40% Melvin Gordon LAC RB 73 4 55 3 18 13 342 21.30% Elijah McGuire NYJ RB 22 51 17 46 5 118 105 21.00% Chris Ivory JAC RB 27 41 18 43 9 51 133 20.30% Marlon Mack IND RB 23 44 17 46 6 93 114 20.20% Matt Forte NYJ RB 28 40 17 46 11 30 140 20.00% Le'Veon Bell PIT RB 79 2 52 5 27 4 406 19.50% Mark Ingram NO RB 56 12 39 15 17 15 288 19.40% Adrian Peterson ARI RB 31 33 30 23 1 256 167 18.60% Leonard Fournette JAC RB 55 13 48 10 7 72 304 18.10% DeMarco Murray TEN RB 40 24 28 26 12 27 223 17.90% Bilal Powell NYJ RB 36 26 27 28 9 51 201 17.90% LeSean McCoy BUF RB 61 7 45 11 16 18 346 17.60% Carlos Hyde SF RB 52 14 45 11 7 72 299 17.40% Samaje Perine WAS RB 34 27 23 31 11 30 197 17.30% C.J. Anderson DEN RB 47 17 36 17 11 30 273 17.20% Tevin Coleman ATL RB 31 33 22 33 9 51 183 16.90% Jonathan Stewart CAR RB 34 27 30 23 4 133 206 16.50% Devontae Booker DEN RB 18 60 12 55 6 93 109 16.50% Ezekiel Elliott DAL RB 42 21 35 18 7 72 268 15.70% Kerwynn Williams ARI RB 20 57 20 36 0 130 15.40% Keenan Allen LAC WR 16 65 0 16 18 104 15.40% Giovani Bernard CIN RB 22 51 15 49 7 72 148 14.90% Latavius Murray MIN RB 34 27 29 25 5 118 231 14.70% Frank Gore IND RB 41 23 33 20 8 62 290 14.10% Jordan Howard CHI RB 42 21 39 15 3 160 299 14.00% Isaiah Crowell CLE RB 32 32 22 33 10 40 234 13.70% Ameer Abdullah DET RB 26 42 23 31 3 160 190 13.70% Michael Thomas NO WR 14 75 0 14 23 104 13.50% Jarvis Landry MIA WR 15 69 0 15 21 113 13.30% Jamaal Williams GB RB 23 44 19 39 4 133 178 12.90% Peyton Barber TB RB 16 65 13 51 3 160 124 12.90% Lamar Miller HOU RB 34 27 24 29 10 40 274 12.40% Javorius Allen BAL RB 22 51 18 43 4 133 199 11.10% Joe Mixon CIN RB 22 51 20 36 2 207 208 10.60% Orleans Darkwa NYG RB 18 60 13 51 5 118 190 9.50% Matt Breida SF RB 12 85 10 64 2 207 126 9.50% Doug Martin TB RB 12 85 9 68 3 160 147 8.20% Mike Gillislee NE RB 8 119 8 71 0 105 7.60% Larry Fitzgerald ARI WR 8 119 0 8 62 109 7.30% Antonio Brown is just insane. I feel like other receivers get compared to Brown only because we are so bored with Brown’s ridiculousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 16 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said: He finished the season 8th in total BT's and 5th in BT per touch amongst all players with at least 200 touches. My mistake then. Still pretty damn impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: My mistake then. Still pretty damn impressive. Oh you weren't wrong at all man. Up until week 15 he was 3rd in the league per touch. I only quoted you with his numbers because I just figured you would wanna see how he fared for the entire season. I love me some Marshawn. People have always knocked him for not being as versatile as other backs and call him a one-trick pony for a power back and they're not completely wrong in that. But if he's only a one-trick pony....then he's one of the best one-trick ponies in the league over the last 6-8 years then. Lynch and AP are the last of a dying breed. As the league has shifted more and more into the passing age, it's become almost a necessity for RB's to be a reliable target option out of the back field in order to even get the chance to be a 3 down back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilflamingo Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 21 hours ago, sammymvpknight said: Antonio Brown is just insane. I feel like other receivers get compared to Brown only because we are so bored with Brown’s ridiculousness. There is also only 4 guys to compare him with in this data set as there was only 5 100+ reception receivers. Brown is good after the catch no doubt, but it'd be interesting to see how he matches up with a bigger group. It's also interesting that Brown is just 14th in YAC with 471 yards on 101 touches. Golden Tate is 4th overall (best among WRs) with 671 yards on 92 touches, Landry 7th with 511/112 and Julio 9th with 504/88. https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2017&week=100&category=RECEIVING&opp=0&sort=5&qualified=1&sortOrder=0 So if we're going to trust both sources, Brown only gets 16 yards per broken tackle, while Landry goes for 34 and Fitz collected 416 yards from just 8 broken tackles, good for 52 yards/broken tacke which seems a bit absurd. Judging by the stats - and not having seen much of Lions this year - Tate has some impressive stats. 1001 receiving yards, 671 YAC with a 77% catch rate from 120 targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr LBC Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The correct answer is Not Melvin Gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 On 1/18/2018 at 10:01 AM, evilflamingo said: There is also only 4 guys to compare him with in this data set as there was only 5 100+ reception receivers. Brown is good after the catch no doubt, but it'd be interesting to see how he matches up with a bigger group. In this aspect, he fares very well in comparison to both his position league wide and his contemporaries. In fact, it's borderline not even worth debating. Not that broken tackles are a stat that should be used to compare WR's anyhow given that it only carries a very small amount of importance to the position but Brown has accomplished so much already that this is just another small piece of notch added to his already established resume. I really don't think most people realize just how good he truly is. It's slowly coming to the point that it's not even fair to compare him to other WR's. It's seriously reaching that JJ Watt type level.....if it hasn't already. On 1/18/2018 at 10:01 AM, evilflamingo said: It's also interesting that Brown is just 14th in YAC with 471 yards on 101 touches. Golden Tate is 4th overall (best among WRs) with 671 yards on 92 touches, Landry 7th with 511/112 and Julio 9th with 504/88. https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/stats?season=2017&week=100&category=RECEIVING&opp=0&sort=5&qualified=1&sortOrder=0 So if we're going to trust both sources, Brown only gets 16 yards per broken tackle, while Landry goes for 34 and Fitz collected 416 yards from just 8 broken tackles, good for 52 yards/broken tacke which seems a bit absurd. Judging by the stats - and not having seen much of Lions this year - Tate has some impressive stats. 1001 receiving yards, 671 YAC with a 77% catch rate from 120 targets. 1) Your trying to directly correlate YAC to broken tackles which is a no-no for many different reasons. 2) Landry and Tate are no where near Brown's level as a whole so even being better in this aspect carries no weight at all and seems like your reaching in order to discredit Brown for whatever reason. Now, you're not wrong about about Landry and Tate. They both do very well in shaking off tackles given their style and have the most broken tackles among all WR's over the last 3 years combined(84 and 81, respectively). However, Brown is 4th in this category with 66 and Tate's 294 tocuhes compared to Brown's 349 makes quite a significant difference. Julio and Fitz.....not so much. Not that Julio is "bad" but his 48 total and lower 15.58% in 46 games over the last 3 years on 308 touches does not compare to Brown. Fitz isn't even close as he only has EXACTLY half as many BT's(33) as Brown does on only 22 less touches. However, broken tackles are not a stat that would fit Fitz's style at this point in his career anyhow, nor his role and assignments on the Cardinals offense either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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