VigilantZombie Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 11 hours ago, AngusMcFife said: Nope, not even close: Patterson 3rd all time KR avg: 29.3 1st all time TDs: 9 Hester t71st all time KR avg: 24.9 t9-18 all time TDs: 5 In no universe can Hester sniff Patterson's jock in KR. They keep making new rules to help returners, these rules didn't exist when Hester was blowing by guys for 101 yards at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 12 hours ago, AngusMcFife said: Nope, not even close: Patterson 3rd all time KR avg: 29.3 1st all time TDs: 9 Hester t71st all time KR avg: 24.9 t9-18 all time TDs: 5 In no universe can Hester sniff Patterson's jock in KR. Well Patterson’s KR average is from returning 260 kicks from 9 yards deep in the endzone to the 20, costing the team 5 yards from not just kneeling. And you must’ve missed the part where every team refused to kick or punt to Hester in his prime but go off sis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 2 hours ago, VigilantZombie said: They keep making new rules to help returners, these rules didn't exist when Hester was blowing by guys for 101 yards at a time. Objectively false. 2009: NFL bans wedge blocking of 3 or more players 2011: Kick return spot moved up from the 30 to the 35 2018: NFL bans wedge blocking of 2 or more players You'd think there would be a change in KR average if what you said is true. 2006 (Hester's rookie year): 22.5 2010: 22.3 2015: 23.5 2017: 21.7 2020: 22.5 The data is a bit noisy, but KR average seems pretty stable around 22.5 since Hester's days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, Ty21 said: Well Patterson’s KR average is from returning 260 kicks from 9 yards deep in the endzone to the 20, costing the team 5 yards from not just kneeling. And you must’ve missed the part where every team refused to kick or punt to Hester in his prime but go off sis Thanks for your contribution 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 7 hours ago, Xmad said: What's funny is devin hester made a HOF career out of punt returns. Cordarrelle made a career out of kickoff returns with zero punt returns to his name. With the new rules I think Devin would be an even better kickoff returner. Hester's the better player though at his best Cordalle was a gadget offensive player whereas Hester was legitimate no.2 WR for a second. Either way can't wait for Corddarrelle to make it to the hall of fame. Patterson's problem is that most his career people thought he was a WR but then Arthur Smith figured out he was a RB at age 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 On 3/26/2024 at 4:27 PM, AngusMcFife said: I wonder if the new kickoff rules will actually hamper Patterson, who is the greatest KR in NFL history hands down. Patterson was elite because could get up to top speed after sprinting 25 yards and make cuts while maintaining that speed. The new kickoff looks like the returner will need to use more stop/start, quick acceleration moves like a PR. You won't get as full a run up the new way. Maybe I'll be wrong because I haven't seen enough of these returns. But the best kick returner of the previous system might not quite have as good a skill set for the new KR system. Aside from being completely wrong about being the best return man in NFL history (that's Hester and it's not close)...this definitely echoes my thoughts. I'm really not sure that the new rules will be set up to benefit him in the same way as the previous formats he's made his name under. It's probably going to be a very different skillset that thrives, and it's also the sort of skillset that an aged Pattersson is probably losing the most juice from. Where he never even really had an overabundance of it in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMcFife Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 8 hours ago, Tugboat said: Aside from being completely wrong about being the best return man in NFL history (that's Hester and it's not close)...this definitely echoes my thoughts. I'm really not sure that the new rules will be set up to benefit him in the same way as the previous formats he's made his name under. It's probably going to be a very different skillset that thrives, and it's also the sort of skillset that an aged Pattersson is probably losing the most juice from. Where he never even really had an overabundance of it in the first place. Never said he's the best return man, he's the best KR. KR and PR are two different positions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkeyDoke21 Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 I actually really like this signing for Pittsburgh. It could be a sneaky good move, if he still has something left, with the kickoff rules. A dangerous KR game should be really effective for a team constructed the way they play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 21 hours ago, AngusMcFife said: Objectively false. 2009: NFL bans wedge blocking of 3 or more players 2011: Kick return spot moved up from the 30 to the 35 2018: NFL bans wedge blocking of 2 or more players You'd think there would be a change in KR average if what you said is true. 2006 (Hester's rookie year): 22.5 2010: 22.3 2015: 23.5 2017: 21.7 2020: 22.5 The data is a bit noisy, but KR average seems pretty stable around 22.5 since Hester's days. I think you should watch some film and compare the two guys because you're subjectively wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 On 3/28/2024 at 9:07 AM, VigilantZombie said: I think you should watch some film and compare the two guys because you're subjectively wrong. how can you be subjectively wrong? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rivers Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 On 3/27/2024 at 9:00 AM, VigilantZombie said: They keep making new rules to help returners, these rules didn't exist when Hester was blowing by guys for 101 yards at a time. with how the game has changed , it's not really much use to compare different generations stats , but it helps to get an idea. Patterson should help the steelers ST but he does have gum chewer to follow orders from so who knows 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 On 3/30/2024 at 11:59 PM, redsoxsuck05 said: how can you be subjectively wrong? I am saying in my opinion he is wrong, I just meant I was being subjective in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 On 3/27/2024 at 10:45 PM, Tugboat said: It's probably going to be a very different skillset that thrives, and it's also the sort of skillset that an aged Pattersson is probably losing the most juice from. Where he never even really had an overabundance of it in the first place. What skillset is that? Shiftiness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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