Armbar Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 What team was the best to ever be picking #1? AKA good roster, but a comedy of errors, bad coaching, etc... *Teams like Chicago this year are DQ'ed, as that was Carolina's pick, not theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Spoiler Here is a list of NFL teams with the worst record each season in the Super Bowl era, starting from the 1966 season: 1966: New York Giants (1-12-1) 1967: Atlanta Falcons (1-12-1) 1968: Philadelphia Eagles (2-12) 1969: Pittsburgh Steelers (1-13) 1970: Boston Patriots (2-12) 1971: Buffalo Bills (1-13) 1972: Houston Oilers (1-13) 1973: Houston Oilers (1-13) 1974: New Orleans Saints (2-12) 1975: New Orleans Saints (2-12) 1976: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (0-14) 1977: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2-12) 1978: San Francisco 49ers (2-14) 1979: San Francisco 49ers (2-14) 1980: New Orleans Saints (1-15) 1981: Baltimore Colts (2-14) 1982: Baltimore Colts (0-8-1) (shortened season) 1983: Houston Oilers (2-14) 1984: Buffalo Bills (2-14) 1985: Buffalo Bills (2-14) 1986: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2-14) 1987: Atlanta Falcons (3-12) (strike-shortened season) 1988: Dallas Cowboys (3-13) 1989: Dallas Cowboys (1-15) 1990: New England Patriots (1-15) 1991: Indianapolis Colts (1-15) 1992: Seattle Seahawks (2-14) 1993: Cincinnati Bengals (3-13) 1994: Houston Oilers (2-14) 1995: New York Jets (3-13) 1996: New York Jets (1-15) 1997: Indianapolis Colts (3-13) 1998: Indianapolis Colts (3-13) 1999: Cleveland Browns (2-14) 2000: San Diego Chargers (1-15) 2001: Carolina Panthers (1-15) 2002: Cincinnati Bengals (2-14) 2003: San Diego Chargers (4-12) 2004: San Francisco 49ers (2-14) 2005: Houston Texans (2-14) 2006: Oakland Raiders (2-14) 2007: Miami Dolphins (1-15) 2008: Detroit Lions (0-16) 2009: St. Louis Rams (1-15) 2010: Carolina Panthers (2-14) 2011: Indianapolis Colts (2-14) 2012: Kansas City Chiefs (2-14) 2013: Houston Texans (2-14) 2014: Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2-14) 2015: Tennessee Titans (3-13) 2016: Cleveland Browns (1-15) 2017: Cleveland Browns (0-16) 2018: Arizona Cardinals (3-13) 2019: Cincinnati Bengals (2-14) 2020: Jacksonville Jaguars (1-15) 2021: Jacksonville Jaguars (3-14) 2022: Chicago Bears (3-14) 2023: Carolina Panthers (2-15) -------------------------------------------------------- 1967: Both the Atlanta Falcons and New York Giants had 1-12-1 records. 1969: The Pittsburgh Steelers, Chicago Bears, and Buffalo Bills all finished with 1-13 records. 1971: The Buffalo Bills and New England Patriots ended with 2-12 records. 1972: The Houston Oilers and New England Patriots both had 3-11 records. 1973: The Houston Oilers and Baltimore Colts finished with 2-12 records. 1980: The New Orleans Saints and San Francisco 49ers each had 1-15 records. 1981: The Baltimore Colts and New England Patriots both ended with 2-14 records. 1985: The Buffalo Bills and Tampa Bay Buccaneers finished with 2-14 records. 1992: The New England Patriots and Seattle Seahawks both had 2-14 records. 2007: The Miami Dolphins and St. Louis Rams both had 1-15 records. 2014: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Tennessee Titans finished with 2-14 records. 2016: The Cleveland Browns and San Francisco 49ers both had 1-15 records. 2020: The Jacksonville Jaguars and New York Jets finished with 1-15 records. Comprehensive list, formulated by ChatGPT, it may contain slight inaccuracies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelersfan43 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 They are all bad,but maybe the 2003 chargers deserve a mention....The 2012 chiefs were hold back by very poor coaching and QB too 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Honestly I wonder about the 2011 Colts. The coaching was atrocious, and they went from top 3 QB all time Peyton Manning to.... Curtis Painter. Truly demoralizing. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelersfan43 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 4 minutes ago, Danger said: Honestly I wonder about the 2011 Colts. The coaching was atrocious, and they went from top 3 QB all time Peyton Manning to.... Curtis Painter. Truly demoralizing. good one too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 10 hours ago, Danger said: Honestly I wonder about the 2011 Colts. The coaching was atrocious, and they went from top 3 QB all time Peyton Manning to.... Curtis Painter. Truly demoralizing. That roster was garbage it needed good QB play to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 4 hours ago, Xmad said: That roster was garbage it needed good QB play to succeed. Donald Brown, Joseph Addai, Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, Dallas Clark Skill position players certainly weren't "Garbage" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2007 Dolphins were actually a solid team. They just had so many distractions on and off the field. Saban quit. They had no QB. But in terms of talent, they were roughly the same team that won 11 games the very next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 *Throws on homer hat* I actually do think they deserve consideration here, at least among teams I can remember. 2010 Carolina Panthers (Steve Smith, DeAngelo, Stewart, Gross, Kalil, Wharton, Geoff Schwartz, Charles Johnson, Chris Gamble, Jon Beason). Not even including lesser-known guys for us who were decent contributors like Munnerlyn, James Anderson, and Dan Connor. Then that following offseason we brought in guys like Olsen, Shockey, Greg Hardy. Coming off 12-4 and 8-8 seasons (and that 8-8 team was a 10+ win team held back by historically bad QB play), the roster was largely the same minus Peppers, Muhammad, and Hoover. And like the 8-8 team, the 2010 squad was held back by an all-time bad QB starter in Clausen. The team was in the top half of the league in run and pass defense, and running the ball, but Clausen and the coaches (Fox was in his final year and made it visibly clear he wanted out) tanked it all. There is a reason we were able to field a top-5 offense and an absolutely dominant rushing attack the following season. Too bad the defense fell off a cliff due to the adjustment under McDermott (Ron Meeks was a good DC for us the years prior) and Beason getting hurt. That is what makes the Rivera era so frustrating. He walked into a solid situation and got a QB, and yet we never had a back-to-back winning season. That isn't all his fault, a lot of it falls on Gettleman, some of it falls on Cam, some of it bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, Danger said: Donald Brown, Joseph Addai, Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, Dallas Clark Skill position players certainly weren't "Garbage" Brown, Addai, and Clark were definitely JAGs. At least by 2011, anyway (in Clark’s case). In the trenches, they did have Freeney/Mathis with juice in the tank, old man Jeff Saturday, rookie Anthony Costanzo, young Jerry Hughes (who I don’t think even played), so I think they were a horrific roster with a handful of solid veterans. But I think a lot of teams qualify with that, tbh. Like, even the 0-16 Browns had Myles Garrett, Joe Schobert (Pro Bowler that year), Joel Bitonio, JC Tretter, Kevin Zeitler, and Jabrill Peppers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 The 1981 Patriots went 2-14 but 0-8 in 1-score games. They underperformed their Pythagorean record by almost 5 wins, and got absolutely killed by turnovers. They made the playoffs in both 1980 and 1982. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 34 minutes ago, Soko said: Brown, Addai, and Clark were definitely JAGs. At least by 2011, anyway (in Clark’s case). In the trenches, they did have Freeney/Mathis with juice in the tank, old man Jeff Saturday, rookie Anthony Costanzo, young Jerry Hughes (who I don’t think even played), so I think they were a horrific roster with a handful of solid veterans. But I think a lot of teams qualify with that, tbh. Like, even the 0-16 Browns had Myles Garrett, Joe Schobert (Pro Bowler that year), Joel Bitonio, JC Tretter, Kevin Zeitler, and Jabrill Peppers. For a team that had a #1 overall pick, they were pretty talented all things considered. They had a great QB that season that got hurt, and were able to draft a phenomenal QB after that season and jump right back into contention. They definitely are up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 minutes ago, Danger said: For a team that had a #1 overall pick, they were pretty talented all things considered. They had a great QB that season that got hurt, and were able to draft a phenomenal QB after that season and jump right back into contention. They definitely are up there. Like I said, most teams have 5ish good players they can point to. If you’re just talking from a talent collection standpoint, I don’t see how they move the needle. The bad Bucs team had Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Demar Dotson, Gerald McCoy, Lavonte David, Alteraun Verner, and DaShon Goldson. The Bengals had a half year of Dalton, Joe Mixon, Tyler Boyd, Carlos Dunlap, Geno Atkins, Sam Hubbard, William Jackson, and Jesse Bates. I think a lot of these #1 teams have good veterans aboard. The Luck Colts really don’t have much to do with it, either. New HC, new OC, new DC, QB, new RB, new WR, new TE(s), three new OL, new DL, new LBer, new CB, new S. And those are all starters. I wouldn’t say the Luck led Colts were drowning in talent, but it’s also not even close to a situation where you just dropped rookie Luck onto the same 2011 Colts team, and they all of a sudden played well. Kinda ditto with the 2010 Colts, they were an elite passing team but they were awful running the ball and atrocious defensively. So if you take away the HOF QB off an elite passing attack and insert a borderline non-NFL QB…yeah, that’ll fall, and the other elements of the team were never there in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1994 Oilers the previous season had come off their 7th straight playoff appearance. They still had a lot of talent heading into that 1994 season. Some departures with the advent of the salary cap, but of course no Warren Moon was the biggest loss that completely nuked their season. They were able to climb back to 7 wins in 1995, and then went 8-8 the next three seasons under Jeff Fisher (hee haw). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 3 hours ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: 1994 Oilers the previous season had come off their 7th straight playoff appearance. They still had a lot of talent heading into that 1994 season. Some departures with the advent of the salary cap, but of course no Warren Moon was the biggest loss that completely nuked their season. They were able to climb back to 7 wins in 1995, and then went 8-8 the next three seasons under Jeff Fisher (hee haw). Jeff Fisher could get any of these teams that finished with the worst record to 8-8. I mean they'd be perpetually stuck at .500 at that point but at least they wouldn't be the worst team in the league! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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