Soko Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 I liked Baker’s arrogance when he came out, but over time it wore thin, especially as the team wasn’t winning/he wasn’t playing well/was hurt. Definitely soured on him as a player and as a football-leader. But now? Dude sounds all class. For those who watched the post-game on-field interview yesterday, the reporter asked him how he felt about DC saying that he wants to put the game on Baker’s shoulders (implying if the Lions force Baker to be the engine, the Lions would win). First words out of the dude’s mouth was that it’s really a team game, he didn’t have to do much, the defense made it possible. Maybe PC for some people and possibly lip service, but IMO it seems like he really grew up and became a guy people want to work with/for. How great would Cleveland be right now if they had all those picks, all that extra cap space, and the current iteration of Baker Mayfield for them at QB? Or even aside from the Browns, how many teams would take a QB playing at his level for $33M/year? Guys with worse production than him last year are getting paid significantly more. It’s maybe the best non-rookie contract bargain in the NFL at QB. I’m not sure I trust Tampa overall, but if Baker has another strong season, I’m not sure it can be denied that he belongs in that third tier of QBs (the one after Josh/Lamar/Burrow). I hope it goes that way, I’m rooting for the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 15 minutes ago, Vladimir L said: I always saw him as a 8-12 guy good enough to get you to the playoff and win a game but if team isn’t elite he won’t win a Super Bowl @Forge can dig up the thread from like 3 years ago where I laid out who I thought he was, which is better than everyone else said coming off of a 2020 rebound season, then it was immediately followed by a lost 2021 injured season, and most of us (myself included) said we wanted him to play out his fifth year just to see who he was and then either tag him or do a 2-3 year extension. I think 8-12 is very generous personally, as I’d take the following right now over him (no order): Lamar Mahomes Allen Burrow Herbert Hurts Tua (not even a Tua fan) Stroud Dak Goff Purdy Stafford Rodgers Love …so that puts him at 15, where maybe you can argue him over a couple of guys on that list, but you could also argue Kyler, Cousins, and Carr above him too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir L Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 9 minutes ago, MWil23 said: @Forge can dig up the thread from like 3 years ago where I laid out who I thought he was, which is better than everyone else said coming off of a 2020 rebound season, then it was immediately followed by a lost 2021 injured season, and most of us (myself included) said we wanted him to play out his fifth year just to see who he was and then either tag him or do a 2-3 year extension. I think 8-12 is very generous personally, as I’d take the following right now over him (no order): Lamar Mahomes Allen Burrow Herbert Hurts Tua (not even a Tua fan) Stroud Dak Goff Purdy Stafford Rodgers Love …so that puts him at 15, where maybe you can argue him over a couple of guys on that list, but you could also argue Kyler, Cousins, and Carr above him too. Hurts gets carried by his team Love has only shown one year Tua is on a loaded team like hurts stafford at the end of his career this one is a throw up not sure but could go either way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 1 hour ago, Vladimir L said: Hurts gets carried by his team Love has only shown one year Tua is on a loaded team like hurts stafford at the end of his career this one is a throw up not sure but could go either way Stafford has a ring Love’s best season is better than Baker’s best Holding Tua and Hurts’s casts against them is disingenuous and not quantifiable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 1 hour ago, Vladimir L said: Don’t insult Baker like this Andy never had talent and wasn’t an athlete would just play within a system. Baker came in as a top 10 draft pick and turned a horrible browns team around. Browns management hated him because was a bit of a child and wanted him to make the leap after year he didn’t recover fully from injury. part of this is on baker for rushing himself back but the browns had to protect baker from baker He never had talent because he was a second round draft pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir L Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 24 minutes ago, CP3MVP said: He never had talent because he was a second round draft pick? Andy has a very weak arm and could just play within a system Baker came in as a talented player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vladimir L Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 36 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Stafford has a ring Love’s best season is better than Baker’s best Holding Tua and Hurts’s casts against them is disingenuous and not quantifiable. Baker has had more than 1 good year and Love came in with 17 game seasons Flaco has a ring?? Stafford best years are behind him and he gets hurt too easily. Tua and Hurts have all pro wr and all pro oline their entire career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Just now, Vladimir L said: Baker has had more than 1 good year and Love came in with 17 game seasons Baker had an elite supporting cast in Cleveland too. You can’t have it both ways when you ding other people for their cast or lack of longevity but cherry pick on Baker. Just now, Vladimir L said: Flaco has a ring?? Stafford best years are behind him and he gets hurt too easily. Stafford is on the decline and yet in 2023, they were darn close: https://stathead.com/football/versus-finder.cgi?request=1&seasons_type=forall&year_min=2023&year_max=2023&player_id1=MayfBa00&player_id2=StafMa00 Just now, Vladimir L said: Tua and Hurts have all pro wr and all pro oline their entire career. In Cleveland, Baker had multiple pro bowl OL, a RB, multiple pro bowl/former pro bowl receivers, and underwhelmed. Pick a lane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 I like the redemption story more than the player, if that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted September 16 Author Share Posted September 16 3 hours ago, Soko said: I liked Baker’s arrogance when he came out, but over time it wore thin, especially as the team wasn’t winning/he wasn’t playing well/was hurt. Definitely soured on him as a player and as a football-leader. But now? Dude sounds all class. He's past his "woke up feeling dangerous" era, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 I didn’t see this thread. Mine is kind of similar but about the Buc offense as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berlin calling Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 guy clearly got humbled and puts team over himself now. Good for him, the season he was in every second commercial was hilarious considering his play on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 1 hour ago, Vladimir L said: Andy has a very weak arm and could just play within a system Baker came in as a talented player Andy Has a fine enough arm for NFL success which he had. We have seen baker fail under different coaches and organizations so I’m trying to figure out how the “system” argument works for him and against Andy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 4 hours ago, MWil23 said: @Forge can dig up the thread from like 3 years ago where I laid out who I thought he was, which is better than everyone else said coming off of a 2020 rebound season, then it was immediately followed by a lost 2021 injured season, and most of us (myself included) said we wanted him to play out his fifth year just to see who he was and then either tag him or do a 2-3 year extension. I think 8-12 is very generous personally, as I’d take the following right now over him (no order): Lamar Mahomes Allen Burrow Herbert Hurts Tua (not even a Tua fan) Stroud Dak Goff Purdy Stafford Rodgers Love …so that puts him at 15, where maybe you can argue him over a couple of guys on that list, but you could also argue Kyler, Cousins, and Carr above him too. Definitely some questionable names on that list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 1 minute ago, Apparition said: Definitely some questionable names on that list. Feel free to question and dialogue away and be as specific as you want. I think ~15th in the league is about right, with as high as maybe 12 and as low as maybe 18 depending on the day or year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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