2018 Free Agency

[turtle28]

5 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

You conveniently leaving out how we significantly changed offensive schemes which impacted a lot of them not being retained.  

Also, pointing out other failures doesn't make Bruce Allen any less of a failure.  

Most of those players weren’t draft picks - Kory L, Chester & Polumbus were signings - and the combination of Allen and McClouhan drafted the OL replacements and WR replacements for Djax/Garcon.

What players were draft picks under Shanahan that we didn’t keep solely because of the scheme change when we hired Gruden?

I can’t think of anyone.

[Woz]

Just now, turtle28 said:

You’re making assumptions.

Okay, let's assume they keep all of the starters and throw Crowder in for good measure. They jump to SEVEN in three years.

or a reference for @Doc Draper

[MKnight82]

Just now, turtle28 said:

Most of those players weren’t draft picks - Kory L, Chester & Polumbus were signings - and the combination of Allen and McClouhan drafted the OL replacements and WR replacements for Djax/Garcon.

Ok.  But the best players on our team: T Will, Kerrigan, Jordan Reed were picked by the previous regime.  Other than signing Josh Norman what star player has Bruce Allen added to this roster?  

[Woz]

Just now, Woz said:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/06/pfts-free-agent-top-100/

I'm by no means saying that PFT is the one true source for information, but they were a handy-dandy "top 100" of free agents. Here's what's left per their ranking (excluding RFAs, they only had two anyway):

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9. Dolphins defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh (released March 14).
13. Seahawks defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson.
21. Giants offensive lineman Justin Pugh.
24. Bills cornerback E.J. Gaines.
26. Cardinals safety Tyrann Mathieu (released March 14).
27. Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro.
29. Falcons defensive end Adrian Clayborn.
36. Packers safety Morgan Burnett.
39. Dolphins center Mike Pouncey (released March 15).
40. Raiders inside linebacker Navorro Bowman.
41. Chiefs defensive tackle Bennie Logan.
44. Chargers safety Tre Boston.
47. Colts guard Jack Mewhort.
48. Ravens center Ryan Jensen.
53. Bears linebacker Pernell McPhee (released).
55. Lions tight end Eric Ebron (released March 14).
56. 49ers safety Eric Reid.
63. Colts cornerback Rashaan Melvin.
67. Jets cornerback Morris Claiborne.
68. Cardinals receiver Jaron Brown.
75. Bills receiver Jordan Matthews.
76. Washington receiver Terrelle Pryor.
78. Washington linebacker Junior Galette.
80. Ravens receiver Mike Wallace.
86. Bears receiver Kendall Wright.
87. Rams outside linebacker Connor Barwin.
90. Lions linebacker Tahir Whitehead.
93. Falcons defensive lineman Derrick Shelby (released).
94. Rams center John Sullivan.
96. Bills linebacker Preston Brown.
99. Cardinals safety Tyvon Branch.
100. Cardinals cornerback Justin Bethel.

Basically, only a third remains after "two" days (realistically four).

Separated out by position:

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68. Cardinals receiver Jaron Brown.
75. Bills receiver Jordan Matthews.
76. Washington receiver Terrelle Pryor.
80. Ravens receiver Mike Wallace.
86. Bears receiver Kendall Wright.

55. Lions tight end Eric Ebron (released March 14).

21. Giants offensive lineman Justin Pugh.
47. Colts guard Jack Mewhort.

39. Dolphins center Mike Pouncey (released March 15).
48. Ravens center Ryan Jensen.
94. Rams center John Sullivan.

29. Falcons defensive end Adrian Clayborn.

9. Dolphins defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh (released March 14).
13. Seahawks defensive tackle Sheldon Richardson.
41. Chiefs defensive tackle Bennie Logan.
93. Falcons defensive lineman Derrick Shelby (released).

40. Raiders inside linebacker Navorro Bowman.
53. Bears linebacker Pernell McPhee (released).
96. Bills linebacker Preston Brown.

78. Washington linebacker Junior Galette.
87. Rams outside linebacker Connor Barwin.
90. Lions linebacker Tahir Whitehead.

24. Bills cornerback E.J. Gaines.
63. Colts cornerback Rashaan Melvin.
67. Jets cornerback Morris Claiborne.
100. Cardinals cornerback Justin Bethel.

26. Cardinals safety Tyrann Mathieu (released March 14).
27. Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro.
36. Packers safety Morgan Burnett.
44. Chargers safety Tre Boston.
56. 49ers safety Eric Reid.
99. Cardinals safety Tyvon Branch.

Quoting since it got paged.

[turtle28]

1 minute ago, Woz said:

Okay, let's assume they keep all of the starters and throw Crowder in for good measure. They jump to SEVEN in three years.

or a reference for @Doc Draper

Well now you’re not making my earlier point. Like I said to MikeT14, no team ever keeps all of their draft picks on their second contract because most of the time they can’t afford to.

And would be in line with what the best organizations in the NFL are doing like the Steelers and Packers.

[Woz]

Just now, turtle28 said:

Well now you’re not making my earlier point. Like I said to MikeT14, no team ever keeps all of their draft picks on their second contract because most of the time they can’t afford to.

And would be in line with what the best organizations in the NFL are doing like the Steelers and Packers.

Keeping two picks a year is in line with the Steelers and the Packers? I believe @MikeT14 (?) pointed out they've gotten more than that earlier in the thread.

[turtle28]

3 minutes ago, MKnight82 said:

Ok.  But the best players on our team: T Will, Kerrigan, Jordan Reed were picked by the previous regime.  Other than signing Josh Norman what star player has Bruce Allen added to this roster?  

Yes, and I give Shanahan props for that, but that’s 3 players in 4 years - not a good rate. We’re also talking about draft picks and Bruce Allen has only the 2014 and 2016 drafts so far where he ran them.

Its too early to tell what will come for last year’s draft class, but if I had to wager I’d definitely put Jonathan Allen down as a star or superstar.  I think Fabian Moreau and Montae Nicholson have a good chance to develop into good starters. I also think that’s Perine does still have a chance to be our future starter at RB, that just all depends on what direction we go in the draft.

[Woz]

 

[MikeT14]

Just now, Woz said:

That’s called “we got blowed up about this being a disaster and need to find a phantom injury to get out”

[turtle28]

1 hour ago, Woz said:

Keeping two picks a year is in line with the Steelers and the Packers? I believe @MikeT14 (?) pointed out they've gotten more than that earlier in the thread.

2 or 3 year stick long term. Most of their draft picks don’t get second contracts with the team. As a Steelers fan too I can tell you off the top of my head, just tell me what years you want. Both franchises hit more than they miss, but let’s not act like in the last few season them as long as the ravens haven’t had some huge misses because they have.

[oldman9er]

Just now, MikeT14 said:

That’s called “we got blowed up about this being a disaster and need to find a phantom injury to get out”

lol, was thinking this as well. 

Damn that social media !!!!! 

[Woz]

Just now, MikeT14 said:

That’s called “we got blowed up about this being a disaster and need to find a phantom injury to get out”

That in turn is called "a NFLPA grievance waiting to be filed."

[turtle28]

3 minutes ago, Woz said:

 

The ravens are flat out awful at scouting wrs outside of Torrey Smith in their history. I can’t believe they even offered Grant as much as they didn’t originally, I was shocked.

[turtle28]

I wonder what the true market was for Grant or if the Ravens just were overpaying. Who knows, in the end we could be getting him back on the cheap.

[MikeT14]

Nobody Happier than Jay Gruden right now possibly getting him back