Leader Posted September 30, 2023 Author Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 hour ago, thrILL! said: Is blatant hypocrisy accepted so easily? Yup. Where's the hypocrisy? NFL players can bet on a wide range of things. Bet till they go broke for all anybody cares. What they cant do is place any of those bets while within an NFL facility or bet on their NFL team. I'm unsure if they can bet on other NFL teams....probably not....but I dont know for sure. Is that so trying? Can life go on under those terms? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Leader said: Where's the hypocrisy? NFL players can bet on a wide range of things. Bet till they go broke for all anybody cares. What they cant do is place any of those bets while within an NFL facility or bet on their NFL team. I'm unsure if they can bet on other NFL teams....probably not....but I dont know for sure. Is that so trying? Can life go on under those terms? It wasn't that long ago that the NFL and other pro sports leagues wouldn't be caught dead associating with gambling. Now they're completely in bed with them. There were no signs of betting on ESPN, etc. Now there are segments on Sportscenter and separate shows dedicated to it. Either continue that level of separation or just open the gates completely. It's preposterous that a player can place a bet across the street but not on facility grounds. What difference does it make? Betting on your own team or your opponents can definitely lead to point shaving so yes, avoid that. But other than that, this cherrypicking is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laces Out Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, Leader said: Where's the hypocrisy? NFL players can bet on a wide range of things. Bet till they go broke for all anybody cares. What they cant do is place any of those bets while within an NFL facility or bet on their NFL team. I'm unsure if they can bet on other NFL teams....probably not....but I dont know for sure. Is that so trying? Can life go on under those terms? Plenty of industries bet on themselves, or their competitors to win or fail, financially if it makes sense... but the one in question openly sells betting to its clients as well, whilst punishing its employees for taking part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Leader Posted September 30, 2023 Author Share Posted September 30, 2023 50 minutes ago, thrILL! said: It wasn't that long ago that the NFL and other pro sports leagues wouldn't be caught dead associating with gambling. Now they're completely in bed with them. There were no signs of betting on ESPN, etc. Now there are segments on Sportscenter and separate shows dedicated to it. Either continue that level of separation or just open the gates completely. It's preposterous that a player can place a bet across the street but not on facility grounds. What difference does it make? Betting on your own team or your opponents can definitely lead to point shaving so yes, avoid that. But other than that, this cherrypicking is laughable. You see cherrypicking. I see a blanket policy: Bet on everything you can *AT HOME*. Done. Do it at home and you're safe. Absolutely no problems. None. Such a hardship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isherwood Posted September 30, 2023 Share Posted September 30, 2023 16 hours ago, Leader said: This is funny as a Packers fan, but it's also pure ego. Claypool ain't good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Refugee Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 6 hours ago, Leader said: Sign him up on a 10 day contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 On 9/29/2023 at 8:58 AM, MacReady said: Goff is also kinda proof that it's tough to have a QB bust. If your first round QB busts, it's more a reflection of coaching than your QB. With character exceptions (Zach Wilson, Josh Rosen)... I think this list of first round QB's taken in the decade from 2010-2019 disagrees with you. The majority of these were top 10 (many top 5) picks. Writing the bust rate off as bad coaching and/or bad character is a cop out. The bust rate is high because playing QB in the NFL is hard. 2010: Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow 2011: Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blain Gabbart, Christian Ponder 2012: Andrew Luck, Robert Griffen, Ryan Tannehill, Branden Weeden 2013: EJ Manual 2014: Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater 2015: Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariotta 2016: Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Paxton Lynch 2017: Mitch Trubisky, Patick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson 2018: Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson 2019: Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, Dwayne Haskins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Old Guy Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 On 9/29/2023 at 8:03 PM, Leader said: Where's the hypocrisy? NFL players can bet on a wide range of things. Bet till they go broke for all anybody cares. What they cant do is place any of those bets while within an NFL facility or bet on their NFL team. I'm unsure if they can bet on other NFL teams....probably not....but I dont know for sure. Is that so trying? Can life go on under those terms? Accepting advertising money from various sportsbooks. Ceasar's being the largest. They advertise to attract more bettors. They bring that money into the NFL, then tell players they can't place any bets inside the facility. Walk outside the doors and you are OK. It is the definition of hypocrisy. Lile gambling addiction isn't a thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Old Guy said: Accepting advertising money from various sportsbooks. Ceasar's being the largest. They advertise to attract more bettors. They bring that money into the NFL, then tell players they can't place any bets inside the facility. Walk outside the doors and you are OK. It is the definition of hypocrisy. Lile gambling addiction isn't a thing. This isnt a healthcare issue. Employees of certain corporations are exempted from participating in the commercial ventures of that entity. This is life as we've known it for a long, long time. In this instance, NFL players, employees etc are free to bet their lives away - so long as they 1). dont wager any money on NFL games - or - 2). post any of those wagers from inside an NFL facility. That's the contract: You can play and we'll pay you handsomely...but you just cant do these two things (as it pertains to betting). That's the deal. Take it....or leave it. I dont see it as a hardship on the players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffdaswede Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) The current argumentative exchange seems to boil down to “These rules aren’t hard to live by” vs “The league takes a hypocritical stance on gambling.” Which, for all the passion, seems to be one guy at the bar arguing that all squares are rectangles while the other guy maintains that tomatoes are fruit. One position is correct. So is the other one. Edited October 2, 2023 by Uffdaswede 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Guy Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 40 minutes ago, Leader said: This isnt a healthcare issue. Employees of certain corporations are exempted from participating in the commercial ventures of that entity. This is life as we've known it for a long, long time. In this instance, NFL players, employees etc are free to bet their lives away - so long as they 1). dont wager any money on NFL games - or - 2). post any of those wagers from inside an NFL facility. That's the contract: You can play and we'll pay you handsomely...but you just cant do these two things (as it pertains to betting). That's the deal. Take it....or leave it. I dont see it as a hardship on the players. You are mistaken hardship for hypocrisy. The hypocrisy, which is as plain as the nose on your face, is they take money from an organization in the way of advertising revenue. Then turn around and tell the players you may not patronize this organization in our facility. Walk to the parking lot and gamble away though. When the players signed the CBA the NFL was not in bed with sports booking companies. They are now. Why doesn't the NFL adopt the same policy for other companies they sponsor. Why don't players get suspended if they call Jake from State Farm to bundle their home and auto in the building? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Old Guy said: You are mistaken hardship for hypocrisy. The hypocrisy, which is as plain as the nose on your face, is they take money from an organization in the way of advertising revenue. Then turn around and tell the players you may not patronize this organization in our facility. Walk to the parking lot and gamble away though. When the players signed the CBA the NFL was not in bed with sports booking companies. They are now. Why doesn't the NFL adopt the same policy for other companies they sponsor. Why don't players get suspended if they call Jake from State Farm to bundle their home and auto in the building? Your questions are mundane and have simple answers you know already. As stated...the NFL isnt the first corporation barring it's employees from certain activities. As an NFL player/coach etc....I can walk into any casino and.... Place a bet on a horse race in England. Place a bet on a soccer match in Germany. Place a bet on a basketball game in MSG. Place a bet on a tiddily-wink competition in Toledo, Ohio. Place a bet on a badminton tournament in Taiwan. Or - I can do any/all of the above *A-N-Y-W-H-E-R-E* other than an NFL facility. What I cant do is place a bet on an NFL game. I repeat: I dont see that as inconsistent with other corporate policies - or a hardship on the individual. We're done here. Have a nice day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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