PossibleCabbage Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 I feel like the only "a guy can turn it around after a bad rookie campaign with new and better coaching" example anybody needs is Jared Goff. Goff's rookie year was worse than Kizer's last year- Goff did things it didn't seem possible to fix (like freeze up against run blitzes and take sacks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fattlipp Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 35 minutes ago, squire12 said: IF that is the case, then trading Rodgers for a big package of high 1st round picks would be the play. You then save $20M in cap space and can get a top tier rookie QB to role with for 4-5 years. Kizer just turned 22, maybe they like him better than the 2018 class. Gets to play with ARod for a year and maybe extend Kizer for cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fattlipp Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I can't tell if you're trying to refute the point or are agreeing that rookie numbers from that era are useless. Both .. can I do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Vince Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Well l guess pass rusher is out the question now at 14? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, St Vince said: Well l guess pass rusher is out the question now at 14? Why? It's not like our need there lessened just because we've got a need at CB too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 57 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: 1. Disagree, Rodgers has never in his career shown the propensity for turnovers that Kizer did. 2. Aaron Rodgers is an incredible outlier and not the trajectory you bet that a player will take. Generally a player who is COMPLETELY awful as a rookie, stays completely awful. Your selection of one of the worst RBs ever to get extended run as a Packers ball carrier as your forum name is amazingly indicative of the quality of your football knowledge. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Vince Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, HighCalebR said: Why? Think we need corners. We just traded our best one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighCalebR Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just now, St Vince said: Think we need corners. We just traded our best one. We've got 2 injury prone pass rushers. One who shouldn't be on the EDGE full time. The need is equal big dog. If our guys there we won't hesitate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernpackfan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I can't tell if you're trying to refute the point or are agreeing that rookie numbers from that era are useless. Maybe I didn’t read closely enough, but I’m not sure why you’re asserting that examples from that era are useless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, St Vince said: Think we need corners. We just traded our best one. A better pass rush makes it a lot easier to cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenrik Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, St Vince said: Think we need corners. We just traded our best one. I dont think many people projected Randall as our #1 CB. I think most fans here have always thought we still need a #1 CB with King as #2 and Randall our star guy. So we need a new slot CB. Meh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernpackfan Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 1 minute ago, PossibleCabbage said: A better pass rush makes it a lot easier to cover. Especially if the team has strong press corners to counter the quick read throw. Maybe that’s who the Packers are going to target in FA and the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 I've just woken up and its 5.30am here. Holy cow! I knew Randall was a bit "hollywood" for my liking but didnt expect this at all from the Packers organisation. Getting rid of a starting corner for a backup QB doesnt make much sense I have to say, no matter how annoying Randall was for the Packers coaching staff. If we're gonna trade a starting corner then I expect much more in return. Now to read the entire 47 page thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiFan808 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Sounds like Randall was a bit of a head-case last season. That being said, I don't like trading our *best* CB for a backup QB who will hopefully never have to play important minutes for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Just finished reading all 47 pages. Yikes! Cleveland Browns draft picks: 1st Round: No. 1 overall 1st Round: No. 4 overall 2nd Round: No. 33 overall (1st in round) 2nd Round: No. 35 overall (3rd in round) 2nd Round: No. 64 overall (32nd in round) 3rd Round: No. 65 overall (1st in round) ----> traded to Bills (Taylor) 4th Round: No. 101 overall (1st in round) -----> traded to Packers (Randall) 4th Round: No. 123 overall (23rd in round) ----> traded to Miami (Landry) 5th Round: No. 138 overall (1st in round) 5th Round: No. 159 overall (22nd in round) 6th Round: No. 175 overall (1st in round) 7th Round: No. 219 overall (1st in round) I'm not sure which of our 4th round and 5th round picks we gave to them. We can confirm that we get their 101 overall 4th round pick but its still not clear which 5th round pick we will get. If I had to guess it will be the 138 overall as that is higher than our 150 overall 5th rounder. Its a risk/reward thing at this moment in time. Laying it all out: We get to move on from Randall despite our clear CB deficiencies. I don't think we had any intention of re-signing him so we will take what we can get for him now. By doing so we will get..... A potential upgrade at backup QB. Frees up a tiny bit of cap space. Avoids using up a draft pick on a QB Gives us ammunition to trade up into the bottom 1st/ 2nd round in the draft. Having no.1 picks in the 4th and 5th rounds will greatly help us with this. I think this is the biggest reason for accepting the trade. The way I see it now is that the reason for accepting this trade is "flexibility". We can do more things now as the result of this trade. Despite the hit we will take at corner the hit can be nullified somewhat if we can sign a solid FA corner. My gut says we will be targeting Sherman because he is a top level FA corner who won't factor into the compensatory pick calculations as he was cut. Adding a highly competitive and experienced corner is never a bad thing especially if we pair him with King. Of course there's risks with his injury history but that will allow us the opportunity to get him at a discounted price. It makes sense. I like the idea of getting Amukamara too for added depth and experience, he should be very inexpensive. What I remember about him in my draft research is that he was very good at sticking close to receivers but he didn't have a knack of making plays on the ball. That's literally the opposite of Randall. King, Sherman, Amukamara, Draft Pick, Waters, Pipkins. That is definitely a size/speed/experience upgrade throughout the cornerback group if our offseason shakes out like that. Would we take this now if we know if this scenario will happen? I'm absolutely certain now we will be drafting a corner within the first three rounds especially with the potential scenario of using the picks we acquired in the trade to trade up. Our work is not done yet that's for sure. If a player of Peters calibre moved for only a 2018 4th rounder and a 2019 2nd rounder then it was unlikely we would get a deal much better than that for a talented but wildly inconsisent corner with attitude problems. With that perspective in mind, Kizer + no.1 4th rounder + no.1 5th rounder doesn't sound too bad considering. It would be hilarious after seeing Hayward and Hyde becoming all-pros if Randall follows suit. If that does happen it will speak to the incompetence of Capers not getting the best out of his players but also the incompetence of the front office for letting all of those corners go. It will highlight serious player evaluation issues throughout the organisation. I hope it doesn't come to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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