Ketchup Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, Leader said: The Bears questioned or werent certain about Fullers value - hence the Transition Tag. So - we challenged them to pony up enough that now Fuller will be a top five highest paid CB. We had no reasonable expectation to know they would match it but they determined based on their roster/depth and availalble CAP to kick their offer higher and match. Like I said - we could have made an offer that would have kicked Fuller further up the "highest paid" ladder - maybe CHI would have relented and said: "Alright - you can have him" - but - is he actually worth it? Also - the CAP just went down. First time in awhile. Cap didn’t go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Ketchup said: Cap didn’t go down. Something went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, squire12 said: Trying to see how Fuller is the 4th highest paid CB Player pos team age years total avg guaranteed at signing practical guarantees % guaranteed Josh Norman (2016-2020) CB WAS 30 5 $75,000,000 $15,000,000 $36,500,000 $50,000,000 66.67% 2021 Trumaine Johnson (2018-2022) CB NYJ 28 5 $72,500,000 $14,500,000 $34,000,000 $45,000,000 62.07% 2023 Stephon Gilmore (2017-2021) CB NE 27 5 $65,000,000 $13,000,000 $31,000,000 $40,000,000 61.54% 2022 Janoris Jenkins (2016-2020) CB NYG 29 5 $62,500,000 $12,500,000 $28,800,000 $28,800,000 46.08% 2021 A.J. Bouye (2017-2021) CB JAC 26 5 $67,500,000 $13,500,000 $26,000,000 $26,000,000 38.52% 2022 Malcolm Butler (2018-2022) CB TEN 28 5 $61,250,000 $12,250,000 $24,000,000 $30,000,000 48.98% 2023 Darius Slay (2016-2020) CB DET 27 4 $48,150,000 $12,037,500 $23,100,000 $23,100,000 47.98% 2021 Jalen Ramsey (2016-2020) CB JAC 23 4 $23,351,000 $5,837,750 $22,901,000 $22,901,000 98.07% 2021 Xavier Rhodes (2017-2022) CB MIN 27 5 $70,100,000 $14,020,000 $22,400,000 $32,800,000 46.79% 2023 Jimmy Smith (2015-2019) CB BAL 29 4 $41,102,000 $10,275,500 $21,000,000 $21,000,000 51.09% 2020 Desmond Trufant (2017-2022) CB ATL 27 5 $68,750,000 $13,750,000 $20,776,000 $41,526,000 60.40% 2023 Kareem Jackson (2015-2018) CB HOU 29 4 $34,000,000 $8,500,000 $20,000,000 $20,000,000 58.82% 2019 Aaron Colvin (2018-2022) CB HOU 26 4 $34,000,000 $8,500,000 $18,000,000 $18,000,000 52.94% 2023 Kyle Fuller 4 $56,000,000 $14,000,000 $18,000,000 32.14% Norman, Johnson, Rhodes, and Peterson are the only guys averaging more than 14 per Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketchup Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Leader said: Something went down. Well it darn sure wasn’t the cap. Cap went up 10 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, squire12 said: Cap went from $167M in 2017 to $178M in 2018....in what world is that cap going down??? As I mentioned on a post one page later - something just went down. Perhaps its next years cap declining from 178M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, Ketchup said: Well it darn sure wasn’t the cap. Cap went up 10 million. Perhaps its next years CAP. The number was 171M (and some fraction). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 You don't venture into RFA without knowing it's going to be a little ugly. If you don't want the offer matched you have to be willing to make it hard to swallow. Conservative *** Ball needed to be told to go out of his comfort zone here. We wrote an offer matching our very conservative rules on guarantees. And thereby made it an easy offer to match. Not only that, we wrote a very palatable contract for a division rival. The contract was so team friendly the Bears made a mockery of the Packers by matching in under an hour. Yes, the league is laughing at the Packers front office right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Norman, Johnson, Rhodes, and Peterson are the only guys averaging more than 14 per So 5th ...not 4th Fuller is 11th based on total $$ over the contract length. Fuller is 8th in practical guaranteed I guess you can look at a contract and spin it to fit a narrative you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketchup Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Leader said: Perhaps its next years CAP. The number was 171M (and some fraction). Next years cap isn’t determined until next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: You don't venture into RFA without knowing it's going to be a little ugly. If you don't want the offer matched you have to be willing to make it hard to swallow. Conservative *** Ball needed to be told to go out of his comfort zone here. We wrote an offer matching our very conservative rules on guarantees. And thereby made it an easy offer to match. Not only that, we wrote a very palatable contract for a division rival. The contract was so team friendly the Bears made a mockery of the Packers by matching in under an hour. Yes, the league is laughing at the Packers front office right now. You can ride Ball for writing it, but we know Murphy signed it, and if Gute didn't sign it, then we've got bigger issues and Murphy needs to be held accountable for a nonsensical organizational structure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, AlexGreen#20 said: You can ride Ball for writing it, but we know Murphy signed it, and if Gute didn't sign it, then we've got bigger issues and Murphy needs to be held accountable for a nonsensical organizational structure. That's what I've been saying! I feared this arrangement would be a mess and today it reared its ugly head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ketchup said: 8 minutes ago, Leader said: Perhaps its next years CAP. The number was 171M (and some fraction). Next years cap isn’t determined until next year. This article is from 2016, but it lays out a good deal of info on how the NFL salary cap is created from revenue. It is likely to go up as there was some new revenue to the NFL from National sponsors (Pizza Hut and the TV deal for Thursday night) http://salarycapcrunch.com/projecting-nfl-salary-cap-2016-20-seasons/ Here are our projected salary cap amounts for the 2016–20 seasons: 2016: $152.81 million 2017: $160.98 million 2018: $170.85 million 2019: $179.90 million 2020: $189.04 million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr Anonymous said: That's what I've been saying! I feared this arrangement would be a mess and today it reared its ugly head. How are you sure that this wasn't Gute and Ball sitting down together vs. Ball shooting this email right to Murphy and Murphy sending it to the league office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, AlexGreen#20 said: How are you sure that this wasn't Gute and Ball sitting down together vs. Ball shooting this email right to Murphy and Murphy sending it to the league office? Because if Gute really wanted Fuller he wouldn't have submitted this offer that Ball drew up. Gute would have said that's not strong enough. Ether Gute was too weak to tell Ball to be more aggressive with the offer or too dumb to realize how weak the play was. Either way it bodes horribly for the Packers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ketchup said: Next years cap isn’t determined until next year. Well, sounds like you've got some researching to do cause something dropped down to 171M. Maybe it was the population of Denmark, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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