KingOfNewYork Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 If I throw an accurate pass and my teammate drops it then it hurts my completion percentage and makes my accuracy look bad. Didn't Geno complete like 72% of his passes at one point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: I’m by no means saying I’m a fan of him but I think valuable to look at his 2016 highlights more so than his 2017. Competition oercentage still not good, but very successful with not awful talent around him. His 2016 numbers were still mediocre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, KingOfTheDot said: If I throw an accurate pass and my teammate drops it then it hurts my completion percentage and makes my accuracy look bad. Didn't Geno complete like 72% of his passes at one point? https://twitter.com/GrahamBarfield/status/961263645471764483?s=20 Also PFF has an “NFL throw” tracker. Allen was one of the worst in college football if I’m not mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Allen has the 2nd fewest drops according to PFF Darnold: 6.81% Allen: 7.84% Mayfield: 9.49% Rosen: 11.01% Jackson: 12.04% Found it via Reddit: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/Browns/comments/7sn186/pff_drop_rates_sam_darnold_681_josh_allen_784/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, barnaby8787 said: His 2016 numbers were still mediocre Not every QB plays in an air raid OU offense. Sorry that I don’t agree with all these stats you guys put up. That imo shows a very small part of what kind of player that guy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: Not every QB plays in an air raid OU offense. Sorry that I don’t agree with all these stats you guys put up. That imo shows a very small part of what kind of player that guy is. Ok, compare it to Darnold then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDotNova Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: Not every QB plays in an air raid OU offense. Sorry that I don’t agree with all these stats you guys put up. That imo shows a very small part of what kind of player that guy is. But what about the stat that shows Baker is the most accurate QB of the bunch on NFL throws? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDotNova Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 hour ago, barnaby8787 said: People are liking Allen for all the wrong reasons. Look at his body of work, not his off-season. The one thing I've been able to hang my hat on with Allen is that if he just stays as is, he will be something between Cam Newton and Jameis Winston. Which is somebody you can still win with. But if you strike gold, you have a young Brett Favre on your hands. The next big question is does he fit our offensive scheme? But as a prospect, in general, I think he will be fine if he goes to the right team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barnaby8787 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 28 minutes ago, SDotNova said: The one thing I've been able to hang my hat on with Allen is that if he just stays as is, he will be something between Cam Newton and Jameis Winston. Which is somebody you can still win with. But if you strike gold, you have a young Brett Favre on your hands. The next big question is does he fit our offensive scheme? But as a prospect, in general, I think he will be fine if he goes to the right team. Don’t see how he’s a cross between the two if he doesn’t develop. If he doesn’t develop, he’s more athletic/stronger armed Hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBS756 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 56 minutes ago, SDotNova said: The one thing I've been able to hang my hat on with Allen is that if he just stays as is, he will be something between Cam Newton and Jameis Winston. Which is somebody you can still win with. But if you strike gold, you have a young Brett Favre on your hands. The next big question is does he fit our offensive scheme? But as a prospect, in general, I think he will be fine if he goes to the right team. 2 things in that ... 1. Sure we won’t draft someone who we don’t think will fit our scheme . 2. If we have to adjust our scheme to his strengths it’s important we do. It’s dumb to not do it in fact. Also I agree on the cam newton Jameis cross too. he seems to know what he’s doing but is over aggressive ... and the cam newton physicality specially when big bodies are around him in the pocket honestly what I saw most on the tape reminds me of favre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsandI Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Mayfield's 56 pct in under pressure? It had to be low amount of attempts since he played shot gun all the time with one of NCAA's best pass protecting OL. If it was high amount of attempts then he held football too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampantjet Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 hours ago, KingOfTheDot said: If I throw an accurate pass and my teammate drops it then it hurts my completion percentage and makes my accuracy look bad. Didn't Geno complete like 72% of his passes at one point? Geno had a year at 71.2, but that is the biggest mirage in the world. That year they ran TONS of jet sweeps, which is a hand off that counts as a forward pass. I swear they ran like 5 to 10 jet sweeps to Austin a game. And that doesn't count all of the screens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 2 hours ago, barnaby8787 said: https://twitter.com/GrahamBarfield/status/961263645471764483?s=20 Also PFF has an “NFL throw” tracker. Allen was one of the worst in college football if I’m not mistaken. So Mason Rudolph over Josh Allen...thanks. Anyway I'm not holding his completion percentage against him, its not like he had the luxury of Wideouts running wide open down the field like Rudolph and Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingOfNewYork Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 1 minute ago, rampantjet said: Geno had a year at 71.2, but that is the biggest mirage in the world. That year they ran TONS of jet sweeps, which is a hand off that counts as a forward pass. I swear they ran like 5 to 10 jet sweeps to Austin a game. And that doesn't count all of the screens. That's what I'm saying, looking at pure completion percentage is misleading as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampantjet Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, KingOfTheDot said: That's what I'm saying, looking at pure completion percentage is misleading as hell. Without context it is useless but if you watch the games and see what kind of throws the guys are making it is still helpful. For example Baker had a great comp %, and he had some easier throws than some of the other guys (but not as many as Geno had), but he also hit tons of legit throw. I'd say if we took out all of the gimme throws from all the guys Baker still probably has the highest comp % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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