Pastor Dillon Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 23 hours ago, champ11 said: nah. Toronto just isn't really a title contender. Bottom line is you need a HOF player (and more like top 10-20 player of all time) to win a title. Even outside of the GS dynasty era. Toronto tops out as a second or third round team. That's the tough part about the NBA. If they "blow it up" there is a pretty minimal chance they even get back to this point. There isn't anything wrong with being a competitive playoff team in the NBA, but it's gotta be tough to watch the same thing year after year. Plenty of teams have won a title without a 10-20 all time player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted May 3, 2018 Author Share Posted May 3, 2018 2 hours ago, kyle21121 said: I expect Toronto to win game 2 I expect to win the lottery every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Pastor Dillon said: Plenty of teams have won a title without a 10-20 all time player. Name them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 why is the game at 3 (AZ time) in the afternoon today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 minute ago, champ11 said: Name them. Detroit Pistons Spurs in 2014 had Duncan, but he wasn't elite at that time and they had no real all star. That list is super small for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 minute ago, 11sanchez11 said: why is the game at 3 (AZ time) in the afternoon today? Yeah, I was tripping when I saw that on Sunday when they released the schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said: Detroit Pistons Spurs in 2014 had Duncan, but he wasn't elite at that time and they had no real all star. That list is super small for sure. 1 in the last 30 years sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49er pride Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, champ11 said: 1 in the last 30 years sounds about right. kobe won it for the Pistons so zero so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastor Dillon Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 3 hours ago, champ11 said: Name them. Who is your top 10-20 players? is Kevin Garnett top 20 all time? is Isiah Thomas top 20 all time? is Hakeem top 20 of all time? do you already have curry or Durant top 20 all time? is Dirk top 20 all time? how many people are on your top 20 list? i mean super stars win championships but it takes multiple stars to win, not 1 top guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 34 minutes ago, Pastor Dillon said: Who is your top 10-20 players? is Kevin Garnett top 20 all time? is Isiah Thomas top 20 all time? is Hakeem top 20 of all time? do you already have curry or Durant top 20 all time? is Dirk top 20 all time? how many people are on your top 20 list? i mean super stars win championships but it takes multiple stars to win, not 1 top guy. I think it should be top 30 player of all time since it is so subjective in where these guys rank. A lot of them are in the same tier but just personal preference. Every player you named is a top 30 player of all time. Durant is on pace to be a top 12-15 player of all time. Garnett is around top 20-25 of all time. Hakeem without question is top 20 of all time. Dirk is in the KG range, maybe a bit higher. Though again, very subjective. Thomas is a top 30 player of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 33 minutes ago, Pastor Dillon said: Who is your top 10-20 players? is Kevin Garnett top 20 all time? is Isiah Thomas top 20 all time? is Hakeem top 20 of all time? do you already have curry or Durant top 20 all time? is Dirk top 20 all time? how many people are on your top 20 list? i mean super stars win championships but it takes multiple stars to win, not 1 top guy. They are all floating around there. Call it top 30 and the point is the exact same. Pistons are the only one you can name in the last 30 years that has won a title without a generational talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mse326 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 31 minutes ago, champ11 said: They are all floating around there. Call it top 30 and the point is the exact same. Pistons are the only one you can name in the last 30 years that has won a title without a generational talent plus if you are going to go back 20 to 30 years for some examples that changes it. Guys that were top X at that time would fall out as more players enter the league. That itself requires an adjustment to what X should be. You'd also need to allow for how good a player is in their era even if it doesn't translate to all time. If your dealing with a time period that is "weak" with top all time talent then obviously you don't need a player as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtait93 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Kevin Love is so bad hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMG5 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Clarkson is a liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, JMG5 said: Clarkson is a liability. Let me guess, he's dribbling the air out of the ball and getting driven by time after time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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