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Broncos decline Shane Ray's Option

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3 hours ago, Broncofan said:

Yeah, I get that's likely what drove the reasoning.     The risk is so low, though.    There's no doubt recency bias kicked in - people are influenced by their last experience (in this case, Watson not being able to pass his March 2018 physical no doubt spooked Elway).   For a guy that says he's not afraid to swing for the fences - this was a  very un-Elway like decision.    Ray has no risk that's long-term.  So it's an irrational over-valuation of risk - in a GM that's welcomed taking far bigger risks.  But it's also human nature (and yes, the consequences with our cap situation would be dire - just the probability is so low).   I get it.

Do you or anyone have any details regarding the March date physicals? I'm curious if a player can in any way influence it.

 

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1 hour ago, AKRNA said:

Do you or anyone have any details regarding the March date physicals? I'm curious if a player can in any way influence it.

 

Do you mean the dates in question?  Those are negotiated for FA but for 5th year options for Rd 1 it’s standard.   

If it’s the info in the physicals it’s all confidential.   

 

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33 minutes ago, Broncofan said:

Do you mean the dates in question?  Those are negotiated for FA but for 5th year options for Rd 1 it’s standard.   

If it’s the info in the physicals it’s all confidential.   

 

No, more like he takes the physical, Dr. says "does it hurt when you do this", you do that and scream in pain, the DR. says okay, you failed the physical.

Something more like that.

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13 minutes ago, AKRNA said:

No, more like he takes the physical, Dr. says "does it hurt when you do this", you do that and scream in pain, the DR. says okay, you failed the physical.

Something more like that.

Yeah that info isn’t allowed to be published.  But to fail a physical when it hurts the team, it has to be objective.   The team doc is going to pass guys without hard objective findings.  

Unless of course you are BAL and Ryan Grant is taking the physical 2 hours after Michael Crabtree gets released lol.   Then the team doc sides again with the team (note the theme lol).    

It’s why players and agents often request a second opinion from an independent specialist when they are told good news.   It’s just human nature getting bad news for players to be in denial and ask for a 2nd opinion.   But when getting good news, players & agents who ask for an outside opinion can’t help but wonder if there’s bias - and with some teams it’s very much warranted (e.g. NO medical staff missed Delvin Breaux’s fracture last offseason, for weeks they told coaches he’s fine - big oops ).  

Anyways - depending on the injury it would be easy to predict if Watson couldn’t pass by March (e.g. labrum, etc.).    DEN wouldn’t have let him fail if it was iffy.  Failing him if it was in a team’s benefit, though...

 

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16 hours ago, BroncoBruin said:

Also not sure Ray's growth from rookie to sophomore year was really all that significant as I keep reading. He was still a liability against the run, and his leap in sack count corresponded to his snap count doubling. Not sure about pressure rates and such but I didn't ever find myself thinking "wow, he's really come into his own". I think he kind of is who he was coming into the league. He was a pro-ready situational pass rusher and that's probably what he'll always be. A nice role player who can still strike it rich in a league that values his position second to only QBs. 

Maybe I have an overly pessimistic view of Ray the player, but even his flashes have never wowed me. I still think it made more sense to give him that 5th year option knowing it makes him more attractive trade bait and that you more than likely rescind it a year later, but I don't think he would be a big loss. I'd take a 2019 4th for him and see what Holland can do. 

I agree with this. I've never seen him as a really impressive talent. Most of his sacks have been clean up. 

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