incognito_man Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 8 minutes ago, Patriotplayer90 said: 73rd best winning percentage still beats MM like a drum when he doesn't have the advantage of having a HOF QB to boost his resume. He's been downright horrific. This post is more horrific than Marty Mornhinweg with Ryan Leaf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriotplayer90 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: How can you refute that data? They spend their money on offense. It doesn't have to be FAs, EVERY SINGLE starting WR Rodgers has had has seen a second contract, every single one. And why is that? Because they have spent every 1st-4th round pick on defense since they picked Adams, minus a terrible tackle and mediocre gadget player and J Mon, and their 1st rounder with 5th year extension from 2013 was a defensive player. Could you really not figure that out on your own? Should we March out there with what horrible late round players they drafted and undrafted garbage? Look at the offensive players they drafted who qualify for rookie contracts. Absolutely horrible argument. 25 minutes ago, TransientTexan said: yea it's a stupid argument that ignores alot of things. like ignoring that the cap hit that the injured QB takes up. So you essentially become a team that is forced to play with 88-90% of the cap space other teams would have. also ignoring how the backup inevitable wouldn't have all the training camp time & reps that the starter did. and the fact that rosters could've even been tailored around a certain QB's skillset that goes out the window. and it ignores the fact that the team that had the good QB had higher records in recent years and thus would've been drafting lower than other teams and have less cost-effective talent on the roster unless the GM managed to significantly outperform the draft slot. and fallacious binary thinking that all non-elite QB's are the same. Tolzien (who was technically a 3rd-string QB), and Hundley were terrible QB's, which obviously would be a handicap on the record that has nothing to do with the coach, compared to a team that had a league-average QB. and the problem that this is all dealing with a relatively low sample size of 2 instances. and more fallacious binary thinking that just because McCarthy might be worse than Belichick or another 1 or 2 cherry-picked examples that managed to defy those odds means he's a bad coach. just infantile logic all the way around by people looking for reasons to excuse their own over-entitlement complex. Right, Rodgers' cap is the issue-he's not getting paid $30M until 2 years from now, FYI. It's totally not mediocre or constantly injured players like Cobb, Matthews, Perry, and Bulaga. Imagine if that money actually went to good players. Rodgers' contract is the last thing anyone should complain about, seeing how bad we are with money and without him. Edited October 17, 2018 by Patriotplayer90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 34 minutes ago, Patriotplayer90 said: And why is that? Because they have spent every 1st-4th round pick on defense since they picked Adams, minus a terrible tackle and mediocre gadget player and J Mon, and their 1st rounder with 5th year extension from 2013 was a defensive player. Could you really not figure that out on your own? Should we March out there with what horrible late round players they drafted and undrafted garbage? Look at the offensive players they drafted who qualify for rookie contracts. Absolutely horrible argument. Right, Rodgers' cap is the issue-he's not getting paid $30M until 2 years from now, FYI. It's totally not mediocre or constantly injured players like Cobb, Matthews, Perry, and Bulaga. Imagine if that money actually went to good players. Rodgers' contract is the last thing anyone should complain about, seeing how bad we are with money and without him. So the majority of the picks go towards defense, yet the offensive players we do draft get 2nd contracts over the defense and that's a horrible argument for us prioritizing talent around Aaron? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransientTexan Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 35 minutes ago, Patriotplayer90 said: And why is that? Because they have spent every 1st-3rd round pick on defense since they picked Adams, minus a terrible tackle and mediocre gadget player. Could you really not figure that out on your own? Should we March out there with a bunch of cheap late round players? Right, Rodgers' cap is the issue-he's not getting paid $30M until 2 years from now, FYI. It's totally not mediocre or constantly injured players like Cobb, Matthews, Perry, and Bulaga. Imagine if that money actually went to good players. Rodgers' contract is the last thing anyone should complain about, seeing how bad we are with money. more binary thinking. so if Arod's not being paid 30m, it counts as nothing. and acting like we're in a fantasy land where GB is the only team that has bad or under-performing contracts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriotplayer90 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, TransientTexan said: 33 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: So the majority of the picks go towards defense, yet the offensive players we do draft get 2nd contracts over the defense and that's a horrible argument for us prioritizing talent around Aaron? Lol What are you talking about? The only players who weren't horrific who we let walk were Hayward and Hyde, which is because they thought they had their future at the positions, because they spent high picks. We know how that went. Horrible coaching , keeping us from knowing what we had. That's on MM Edited October 17, 2018 by Patriotplayer90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriotplayer90 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, TransientTexan said: more binary thinking. so if Arod's not being paid 30m, it counts as nothing. and acting like we're in a fantasy land where GB is the only team that has bad or under-performing contracts When you have little talent on rookie contracts, and 4 bad big contracts (3 with 8 figure salaries), you end up with a mediocre roster. You absolutely cannot blame the QB's salary for that. Edited October 17, 2018 by Patriotplayer90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 I totally agree with the last 5 pages of arguments. Aaron Jones is why we aren't as good as we used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriotplayer90 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: I totally agree with the last 5 pages of arguments. Aaron Jones is why we aren't as good as we used to be. I do love Jones. Guy better get the ball more when we are making a playoff run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransientTexan Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 39 minutes ago, Patriotplayer90 said: When you have little talent on rookie contracts, and 4 bad big contracts (3 with 8 figure salaries), you end up with a mediocre roster. You absolutely cannot blame the QB's salary for that. you can blame both. graduate beyond binary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriotplayer90 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, TransientTexan said: you can blame both. graduate beyond binary 14 QBs have a bigger cap hit than Rodgers this year. 5 more are within $6M of him. Is there some method of employing a QB that only you know about? Why does this argument only apply to Rodgers? Edited October 17, 2018 by Patriotplayer90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Patriotplayer90 said: 14 QBs have a bigger cap hit than Rodgers this year. 5 more are within $6M of him. Is there some method of employing a QB that only you know about? Why does this argument only apply to Rodgers? Rodgers has more than a 1 year deal. As do most players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransientTexan Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Patriotplayer90 said: 14 QBs have a bigger cap hit than Rodgers this year. 5 more are within $6M of him. Is there some method of employing a QB that only you know about? Why does this argument only apply to Rodgers? we're talking about 2013 & 2017. maybe stop moving the goalposts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcerb44 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Patriotplayer90 said: 73rd best winning percentage still beats MM like a drum when he doesn't have the advantage of having a HOF QB to boost his resume. He's been downright horrific. By this logic Lombardi, Johnson, Gibbs, and Knoll must have been some really crappy coaches. All that HOF talent was the only reason they won. Can you name any HOF coach that didn’t have multiple HOF players? Any? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriotplayer90 Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, dcerb44 said: By this logic Lombardi, Johnson, Gibbs, and Knoll must have been some really crappy coaches. All that HOF talent was the only reason they won. Can you name any HOF coach that didn’t have multiple HOF players? Any? Can there not be an in between? Not , you either have HOF players, or you are horrible. I mean, the running game, defense, and even ST are all bad. It makes it seem as if he's pulling the entire wagon. Those are all McCarthy's responsibilities, not an offense which looks good when it has a HOF QB Edited October 17, 2018 by Patriotplayer90 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransientTexan Posted October 17, 2018 Share Posted October 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Patriotplayer90 said: Can there not be an in between? Not , you either have HOF players, or you are horrible. so now we're not binary when it's convenient Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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