#WeFiredBruceAllen!!!

[MKnight82]

2 hours ago, turtle28 said:

And he plays 3-tech in our 4 man front. The DE/OLBs are Kerrigan/PSmith/McPhee or Anderson.

I swear, this is the oddest conversation. You are acting like you don’t even watch the game, which, I know isn’t true.

We’re talking about Alabama 

[Skins212689]

4 hours ago, MKnight82 said:

We’re talking about Alabama 

They play the best of the best and consistently stay at the top. If not for shoulder concerns he would've been a top 5 pick. I'll ask this question, Turtle why cant you see it from that perspective? Like he's that good of a player he could transition to the position. While not as fast as maybe the typical 4-3 DE's he has power and uses his hand well enoung to push guys backwards into the QB or RB. On obvious run downs you could then have Allen and Panye as the DTs just stuffing runs as they did at Alamaba. 

Edited December 16, 2018 by Skins212689

[turtle28]

4 hours ago, MKnight82 said:

We’re talking about Alabama 

Show me that film, I never saw it.

[turtle28]

29 minutes ago, Skins212689 said:

They play the best of the best and consistently stay at the top. If not for shoulder concerns he would've been a top 5 pick. I'll ask this question, Turtle why cant you see it from that perspective? Like he's that good of a player he could transition to the position. While not as fast as maybe the typical 4-3 DE's he has power and uses his hand well enoung to push guys backwards into the QB or RB. On obvious run downs you could then have Allen and Panye as the DTs just stuffing runs as they did at Alamaba. 

I’ll tell you why, as I’ve said before because of cap space. You don’t allocate a lot of money for a rotational piece and that’s what Ioannidis would be when we go to a 4-3.

The whole reason this is even a discussion is because of keeping or not keeping Ioannidis if we go to a 4-3. Allen’s best positon is the best positon of Ioannidis. Ioannidis is the odd man out.

Also, Ryan Kerrigan’s best positon is LDE or LOLB, so everyone saying Allen should switch over and play LDE on run downs, well then, what do you do with the Redskins most consistent defender since 2013?

And don’t tell me put Kerrigan at 4-3 strong side linebacker bc he isn’t good at covering in space, that would be an absolute mess!

Edited December 16, 2018 by turtle28

[Skins212689]

13 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

I’ll tell you why, as I’ve said before because of cap space. You don’t allocate a lot of money for a rotational piece and that’s what Ioannidis would be when we go to a 4-3.

The whole reason this is even a discussion is because of keeping or not keeping Ioannidis if we go to a 4-3. Allen’s best positon is the best positon of Ioannidis. Ioannidis is the odd man out.

Also, Ryan Kerrigan’s best positon is LDE or LOLB, so everyone saying Allen should switch over and play LDE on run downs, well then, what do you do with the Redskins most consistent defender since 2013?

And don’t tell me put Kerrigan at 4-3 strong side linebacker bc he isn’t good at covering in space, that would be an absolute mess!

My lineup would be 

RE Allen DT Payne DT Ioannidis LE Kerrigan

Kerrigan would be getting alot more opportunities against slower Offensive lineman and consistently getingt at least 10-12 sacks in the next 3-4 years of his career. 

[turtle28]

11 hours ago, Skins212689 said:

My lineup would be 

RE Allen DT Payne DT Ioannidis LE Kerrigan

Kerrigan would be getting alot more opportunities against slower Offensive lineman and consistently getingt at least 10-12 sacks in the next 3-4 years of his career. 

Kerrigan already rushes at LDE/LOLB against mostly average and slow RTs, he has his entire career and feasted on them, that wouldn’t change in either of our line ups.

The issue is, that you’re taking Jon Allen from a 3-tech DT positon where he’s been dominant and can get 5 plus sacks a year to a RDE position where he’s going to be rushing against the best pass blockers in the NFL, the good to elite LTs. He’ll barely get any sacks at RDE rushing against the good to elite LTs in the NFL.

It’s a waste of his talents. At RDE you need an extremely athletic 260-280 pound DE/OLB to speed rush LTs and then do counter moves off of their speed/quick first step, that guy isn’t Jon Allen. Allen will never get 5 sacks playing RDE.

Meanwhile, most of the fan base complains that Preston Smith, who is a 3-4 OLB/4-3DE (unlike Allen who is a 3-4 DE/4-3 DT)  has never gotten more than 8 sacks in a season!

The hypocrisy is unbelievable!

Edited December 16, 2018 by turtle28

[Woz]

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/12/19/18148153/nfl-analytics-revolution

Interesting read on what teams are doing with regards to the trove of analytics that the NFL is now generating.

Care to guess which franchise isn't mentioned at all? Or how about this, which was referenced in the article? Does this sound familiar?

(you have to click on the second image to see where Washington falls ... they don't make the crop; oh and lest you think that the picture has changed since it's a new year? 335 plays (27th), 196 runs (59%; fourth highest), 139 attempts (41%))

[turtle28]

@Woz yeah, totally not surprised! 😂 ugh

[Ghostnote]

On 12/15/2018 at 4:59 PM, turtle28 said:

Whatever man. It’s not. Jon Allen has gone against guards almost every snap of his high school, college & pro career. 

If he’s playing the end in the Nickle, then they have 2 DL in and he’s going against the guard. He’s never lined up over an OT. I have never ever seen it in any game I’ve watched of him in college or the pros.

Again, yeah, sure he could play strong side DE on run downs but it’s a waste of his talents. He is more like Aaron Donald in that having him lined up as a 3 tech and going against a guard is his best positon. 

The issue for keeping Ioannidis is that 3-tech is also his best positon and we aren’t going to pay both of them starting money. So, if we go to a 4-3 then I don’t see us re-signing Ioannidis.

 

@turtle28 please watch this and count how many times you see Jon Allen lining up as a 5 technique. And the answer is not 0. 

The Greek and play UT while Payne is the NT with Kerrigan as the other down lineman. 

If we switched back to the 4-3, that lineup would work. Allen can play any position on the line. 

You talk about 7 tech or 9 tech, yet, there is no real position called that. When teams go wide 9, its either to contain or on passing downs. A 9 technique if anything is likely to be an additional pass rusher that is a S or CB. 

All I am saying @turtle28 is that Allen could play a 5 tech easily. Cause he has done it before at Alabama. The video shows it. 

[turtle28]

18 minutes ago, mike23md said:

@turtle28 please watch this and count how many times you see Jon Allen lining up as a 5 technique. And the answer is not 0. 

The Greek and play UT while Payne is the NT with Kerrigan as the other down lineman. 

If we switched back to the 4-3, that lineup would work. Allen can play any position on the line. 

You talk about 7 tech or 9 tech, yet, there is no real position called that. When teams go wide 9, its either to contain or on passing downs. A 9 technique if anything is likely to be an additional pass rusher that is a S or CB. 

All I am saying @turtle28 is that Allen could play a 5 tech easily. Cause he has done it before at Alabama. The video shows it. 

5 tech is mostly used for 3-4 DE’s as two-gappers like the Steelers defense and what we used when Haz was here.

Sure, Allen can do that, but he wouldn't be as successful on the end of the line as a 4-3, 5 tech DE. Again, you have an elite interior DL, you don’t move him to 4-3 DE. You find another player to play 4-3 DE and keep Allen where he is.

Sadly, it probably means we lose Ioannidis if we go to a 4-3, but with that $5 million we’d save by not re-signing Ioannidis, we can go out and get a true 4-3 RDE/edge rusher or draft one and have Kerrigan play LDE with his and in the dirt. Kerrigan would need to put 10-15 pounds on though and get up to 270 to 275 again like he was when he was at Purdue, which shouldn’t be a big issue.

I’d also re-sign Galette to compete to be our starting 4-3 DE, he said all off-season and season that he regretted not taking the Redskins offer in March and wants to be playing for them now.

I’d draft a mid round 4-3 DE prospect to back up Kerrigan at LDE or re-sign McPhee to be his back up.

Anderson would be moved to SLB to compete for that job. SDH & JHC will compete at WLB, Vigil can compete with a few rookies and/free agents to be our starting MLB.

Edited December 24, 2018 by turtle28

[Ghostnote]

6 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

5 tech is a 3-4 DE. Sure, Allen can do that, but he wouldnt be as successful as an edge rusher as he is as an inteior DL. Again, you have an elite interior DL, you don’t move him to 4-3 DE. You find another player to play 4-3 DE and keep Allen where he is.

Sadly, it probably means we lose Ioannidis if we go to a 4-3, but with that $5 million we’d save by not re-signing Ioannidis, we can go out and get a true 4-3 RDE/edge rusher or draft one and have Kerrigan play LDE with his and in the dirt. Kerrigan would need to put 10-15 pounds on though and get up to 270 to 275 again like he was when he was at Purdue, which shouldn’t be a big issue.

I’d also re-sign Galette to compete to be our starting 4-3 DE, he said all off-season and season that he regretted not taking the Redskins offer in March and wants to be playing for them now.

I’d draft a mid round 4-3 DE prospect to back up Kerrigan at LDE or re-sign McPhee to be his back up.

Anderson would be moved to SLB to compete for that job. SDH & JHC will compete at WLB, Vigil can compete with a few rookies and/free agents to be our starting MLB.

@turtle28 a 5-tech lines up on the outside shoulder of the OT, which makes him a 4-3 DE. A 3-4 DE lines up either over the G or on the outside shoulder of the guard. 

0-tech - NT 3-4

1-tech - UT 4-3 

3 tech - 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT

5 tech - 4-3 DE 

7-tech or 9-tech - non existent. 

C'mon turtle, this is an easy conversion. Its not as elaborate or difficult as you think. Remember you were the one that said that it would only take 10 lbs for Trent Murphy to move from Edge to DE in a 3-4 cause he has the frame. Jon Allen has quickness and strength and can act much like Phillip Daniels as a run stuffing DE in the 4-3. 

 

[turtle28]

8 minutes ago, mike23md said:

@turtle28 a 5-tech lines up on the outside shoulder of the OT, which makes him a 4-3 DE. A 3-4 DE lines up either over the G or on the outside shoulder of the guard. 

0-tech - NT 3-4

1-tech - UT 4-3 

3 tech - 3-4 DE or 4-3 DT

5 tech - 4-3 DE 

7-tech or 9-tech - non existent. 

C'mon turtle, this is an easy conversion. Its not as elaborate or difficult as you think. Remember you were the one that said that it would only take 10 lbs for Trent Murphy to move from Edge to DE in a 3-4 cause he has the frame. Jon Allen has quickness and strength and can act much like Phillip Daniels as a run stuffing DE in the 4-3. 

 

Phillip Daniels? I don’t want Phillip Daniels 2.0 as an edge pass rusher. I want Allen to be playing the same position that Aaron Darold is because he’s elite at it. Moving him to a 4-3 DE takes him further away from the Qb where his strengths as a pass rusher are lessened. 

Did Wade Phillips move Aaron Donald to 4-3 DE or did Greg Williams have him play there?

No they had him at DT. Allen should be at DT getting 5 to 10 sacks a year, not being moved to 4-3 DE where he’ll be lucky to ever get 5.

Question, did Denver ever move Von Miller to 3-4 ILB like you said he’d be better at as a prospect back in 2011?

Yeah, I’ll never forget that. 😂 

Edited December 24, 2018 by turtle28

[MKnight82]

15 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Phillip Daniels? I don’t want Phillip Daniels 2.0 as an edge pass rusher. I want Allen to be playing the same position that Aaron Darold is because he’s elite at it. Moving him to a 4-3 DE takes him further away from the Qb where his strengths as a pass rusher are lessened. 

Did Wade Phillips move Aaron Donald to 4-3 DE or did Greg Williams have him play there?

No they had him at DT. Allen should be at DT getting 5 to 10 sacks a year, not being moved to 4-3 DE where he’ll be lucky to ever get 5.

Question, did Denver ever move Von Miller to 3-4 ILB like you said he’d be better at as a prospect back in 2011?

Yeah, I’ll never forget that. 😂 

I’m sorry, I really like Jon Allen, but he is not Aaron Donald.

[Ghostnote]

4 minutes ago, turtle28 said:

Phillip Daniels? I don’t want Phillip Daniels 2.0 as an edge pass rusher. I want Allen to be playing the same position that Aaron Darold is because he’s elite at it. Moving him to a 4-3 DE takes him further away from the Qb where his strengths as a pass rusher are lessened. 

Did Wade Phillips move Aaron Donald to 4-3 DE or did Greg Williams have him play there?

No they had him at DT and Allen should be at DT getting 5 to 10 sacks a year, not being moved to 4-3 DE where he’ll be lucky to ever get 5.

Question, did Denver ever move Von Miller to 3-4 ILB like you said he’d be better at as a prospect back in 2011?

Yeah, I’ll never forget that. 😂 

So about Von Miller, yeah...I think I am going to do something you have never done. 

And a typical 4-3 defense has a run specialist end and a pass rusher. 

Check ourlads at the 4-3 defenses and you'll see a heavier run stuffing DE and a smaller quicker pass rushing end. 

 

[Slappy Mc]

FIRE BRUCE ALLEN!!!