Destructo Spin Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 14 hours ago, C0LTSFAN4L1F3 said: As it stands I think Mahomes is the guy to beat so I think Brees having a bad game is irrelevant. Nah, it's Brees' award to lose. This is the exact same scenario as 2011. Voters set the precedent that year when they picked Rodgers' historically great efficiency over Brees' historically great volume stats. If Brees continues his season he'll break the all-time passer rating record by several points. Mahomes volume will earn him OPOY. The difference is this year there's another viable candidate and his team could end up 15-1 while he puts up numbers in the same neighborhood as the other two. If that happens and Brees has another bad game then Goff enters the discussion (and IMO, should probably win it, under those specific circumstances). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 hours ago, BStanRamFan said: Goff's MVP campaign starts today (yes that's somewhat of a joke). Brees' performance and Saints loss opened the door. If Goff throws 4TDS and 350+yards in each of the next 5 games I think its his. Yes, that is very lofty expectations, but that what it will take for him to win and he is capable of it. Rams have incentive to play their starters the rest of the season to get Home Field advantage throughout so that is also a motivating factor. Need Gurley to not have any crazy 200 yard 3TD games or highlight reel plays to detract from Goff also. Hunt getting cut will give Mahomes the opportunity to show it's really his trophy though. If they don't miss a beat in Hunt's absence then Mahomes has it locked up. Speaking of 450 Yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0LTSFAN4L1F3 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Destructo Spin said: Voters set the precedent that year when they picked Rodgers' historically great efficiency over Brees' historically great volume stats. If Brees continues his season he'll break the all-time passer rating record by several points. Mahomes volume will earn him OPOY. That's not really true in either respect. Brees is on pace to break the passer rating record by less than one point, not several. And it isn't really a comparable situation to Brees and Rodgers because Mahomes is right there with Brees in efficiency, in addition to far superior volume. He's only 4 and a half points behind in passer rating, where as in 2011 Brees was 11 points behind Rodgers in passer rating. Brees having a bad game is irrelevant. He is no longer in the lead for the award after his performance on Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Destructo Spin said: Nah, it's Brees' award to lose. This is the exact same scenario as 2011. Voters set the precedent that year when they picked Rodgers' historically great efficiency over Brees' historically great volume stats. If Brees continues his season he'll break the all-time passer rating record by several points. Mahomes volume will earn him OPOY. The difference is this year there's another viable candidate and his team could end up 15-1 while he puts up numbers in the same neighborhood as the other two. If that happens and Brees has another bad game then Goff enters the discussion (and IMO, should probably win it, under those specific circumstances). I don’t think voters awarded Rodgers MVP strictly on his passer rating. They also sported the best record, Rodgers was right there in passing TDs, better on INTs, had good bulk himself in yardage, etc. Not trying to get into Mahomes/Brees here - strictly making the point that Rodgers wasn’t MVP only because he got the passer rating record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Destructo Spin said: Nah, it's Brees' award to lose. This is the exact same scenario as 2011. Voters set the precedent that year when they picked Rodgers' historically great efficiency over Brees' historically great volume stats. If Brees continues his season he'll break the all-time passer rating record by several points. Mahomes volume will earn him OPOY. The difference is this year there's another viable candidate and his team could end up 15-1 while he puts up numbers in the same neighborhood as the other two. If that happens and Brees has another bad game then Goff enters the discussion (and IMO, should probably win it, under those specific circumstances). That wasn't the precendent. Rodgers team was 15-1. Brees team was 13-3. They went with the QB who had one of the few 15-1 seasons ever and was shattering the passer rating record. Winning matters in the MVP vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructo Spin Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 lot of know-it-alls in here...LOL. We'll see what happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 hours ago, lancerman said: That wasn't the precendent. Rodgers team was 15-1. Brees team was 13-3. They went with the QB who had one of the few 15-1 seasons ever and was shattering the passer rating record. Winning matters in the MVP vote. He didn't shatter the record, he beat it by about a point. Not arguing anything, just saying, Brees was on pace before Thursday to break it by 5 points or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riftty Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Aaron Donald. He is just dominanting on a insane level. And has a real shot at the sack record...from the DT spot. Give it to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructo Spin Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Just now, Riftty said: Aaron Donald. He is just dominanting on a insane level. And has a real shot at the sack record...from the DT spot. Give it to him. Honestly, you're probably correct. It's dumb that the MVP has become a QB-only award these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Just now, Riftty said: Aaron Donald. He is just dominanting on a insane level. And has a real shot at the sack record...from the DT spot. Give it to him. DPOY is essentially MVP for the defense. In fact, I think they should just do away with MVP, and have OPOY and DPOY be equal awards for each side of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 6 hours ago, BStanRamFan said: Goff's MVP campaign starts today (yes that's somewhat of a joke). Brees' performance and Saints loss opened the door. If Goff throws 4TDS and 350+yards in each of the next 5 games I think its his. Yes, that is very lofty expectations, but that what it will take for him to win and he is capable of it. Rams have incentive to play their starters the rest of the season to get Home Field advantage throughout so that is also a motivating factor. Need Gurley to not have any crazy 200 yard 3TD games or highlight reel plays to detract from Goff also. Hunt getting cut will give Mahomes the opportunity to show it's really his trophy though. If they don't miss a beat in Hunt's absence then Mahomes has it locked up. That didn't last long lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStanRamFan Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 minute ago, jrry32 said: That didn't last long lol. Nope. That's over lmao Now I'm on the Donald for MVP bandwagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riftty Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Jlowe22 said: DPOY is essentially MVP for the defense. In fact, I think they should just do away with MVP, and have OPOY and DPOY be equal awards for each side of the ball. Yeah i agree with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrry32 said: That didn't last long lol. Did Goff not play well today? The stats look meh, but they scored 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Just now, Jlowe22 said: Did Goff not play well today? The stats look meh, but they scored 30. Worse than his stats. Baaaaaaad game. But that happens every now and then to every QB. 1 minute ago, BStanRamFan said: Nope. That's over lmao Now I'm on the Donald for MVP bandwagon At least throw the man a few votes. He's having a historical season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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