evilpimp972 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, MookieMonstah said: Why do people keep bringing up the Saints defense as if the Chiefs defense being Swiss cheese doesn’t help Mahomes put up these huge numbers? You want to say YAC is an irrational argument but you keep acting like Mahomes defense isn’t helping his MVP case. It’s the same reason Brees had so many 5000 yard seasons. So....Brees gets many 5000 yards seasons without a defense, but misses the playoffs most of the time. Mahomes does it and his team is in first place, don't you see a difference right there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: I forgot they didn’t have Hunt and a higher YPC for a majority of the season. My bad. Facts are...Hunt is gone since 4 weeks, and the offense still haven't put up less than 26 pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, evilpimp972 said: So....Brees gets many 5000 yards seasons without a defense, but misses the playoffs most of the time. Mahomes does it and his team is in first place, don't you see a difference right there? Brees had all time bad defenses, but yes definitely a difference. No one is saying Mahomes isn’t playing like an MVP, the dudes having an amazing season but using his defense as some hinderence is laughable. It’s allowed him to pass deep into games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, evilpimp972 said: Facts are...Hunt is gone since 4 weeks, and the offense still haven't put up less than 26 pts. And the run game is still averaging over 5 YPC. Almost like the Chiefs have a really good run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 All season long, Saints fans and others have talked about Alvin Kamara being the best running back in the league or an elite back. Kareem Hunt is rarely in those conversations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittyBacall Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, MookieMonstah said: Brees had all time bad defenses, but yes definitely a difference. No one is saying Mahomes isn’t playing like an MVP, the dudes having an amazing season but using his defense as some hinderence is laughable. It’s allowed him to pass deep into games. Would it not be a hinderance to winning football games? Which is essentially a prerequisite to this award? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Just now, MookieMonstah said: And the run game is still averaging over 5 YPC. Almost like the Chiefs have a really good run game. You don't think Mahomes has that impact on the run game? How many times they have faced 8 man in the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, showtime said: All season long, Saints fans and others have talked about Alvin Kamara being the best running back in the league or an elite back. Kareem Hunt is rarely in those conversations. He probably is top 3-5. But also, all season long people have been diminishing Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara because they play with Brees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, showtime said: All season long, Saints fans and others have talked about Alvin Kamara being the best running back in the league or an elite back. Kareem Hunt is rarely in those conversations. Saints fan are really thinking that Williams is better than Kamara, kinda crazy when yards per carry becomes an argument LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: He probably is top 3-5. But also, all season long people have been diminishing Michael Thomas and Alvin Kamara because they play with Brees. Michael Thomas is Cris Carter incarnate whachu talkin about willis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Chiefer said: Michael Thomas is Cris Carter incarnate whachu talkin about willis? I'm just saying, the way people are around here when evaluating players depends on what the argument is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, SmittyBacall said: Would it not be a hinderance to winning football games? Which is essentially a prerequisite to this award? I think he thinks the MVP Award is really just OPOTY in a diffetent package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 22 minutes ago, showtime said: All season long, Saints fans and others have talked about Alvin Kamara being the best running back in the league or an elite back. Kareem Hunt is rarely in those conversations. And have they not been laughed at and ridiculed for being homers???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Also, no grown man who sounds like Kermit the Frog is getting my MVP vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: And have they not been laughed at and ridiculed for being homers???? I think a lot of people conceded in that huge Alvin Kamara thread that he was a top RB. I personally don't think he's the best, but he's one of the best. Obviously everyone is not going to agree, but in those conversations I rarely see Kareem Hunt mentioned even though he has had elite production since he has been in the league. The whole point I was making is, by the numbers the Chiefs probably do have a better rushing attack - but in general most people would say the Saints have the better running back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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