Danand Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Take it for what it is worth, but a dane and one of Collins former teammates said, that Collins in college was a player who relied much on his superior athleticism and maybe wasn't the hardest worker - not because he didn't want to but more because he didn't have to. Falling in the draft and then getting cut might have been the wake up call that made him take a more professional approach to his training, which then showed up later in the 2017 season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Do we know of anyone who can make use of comeback routes?............... Per PFF- https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-top-wrs-on-comeback-routes -Over the course of July, we’ll take a look at the top five receivers from the 2017 season on each individual route, by their passer rating when targeted – their WR Rating – on each specific branch of the route tree. We’ve already looked at routes targeted at or behind the line of scrimmage, on slants, crossing routes, out routes, in routes, hitch routes and today continues our study.- With that, here are the top five receivers on comeback route concepts from 2017: 1. Michael Crabtree, Baltimore Ravens (formerly w/ Oakland) – 104.2 WR Rating The Ravens are set to enter the 2018 season with an overhaul of pass-catching talent – an overhaul that was badly needed. Among the new arrivals in Baltimore is 10th-year wide receiver Michael Crabtree, who succeeded on a number of routes last season, but most notably he outperformed his peers on comeback routes. The comeback route accounted for just five of his 99 targets last season, but he caught three of those targets for two touchdowns. Since PFF started tracking individual route data, Crabtree is the only receiver to tally multiple touchdown receptions from the comeback route in a single season, and over the course of his career, Crabtree has scored more touchdowns on comeback routes than any other receiver in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drd23 Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 7 hours ago, Darth Pees said: I mean, in their defense, when Collins was there he wasn't flashing as much and he had major fumble issues. He was just another guy in a logjam of guys, and nobody even thought twice about it when they released him. That's the point of the article - compared to the others on the roster in 2016, he DID flash (relatively speaking) when looking at relatively neutral game situations, hence the higher YPC and success rate in the first 3 quarters etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AFlaccoSeagulls Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 33 minutes ago, drd23 said: That's the point of the article - compared to the others on the roster in 2016, he DID flash (relatively speaking) when looking at relatively neutral game situations, hence the higher YPC and success rate in the first 3 quarters etc Collins was basically producing at the same rate Christine Michael was, but with 100+ fewer carries and the same amount of fumbles. And as someone who watched every game that year, Collins did not stand out whatsoever on tape - at least not as much as Michael did. Again, hindsight is always 20/20 and of course if you go back with the knowledge that Collins ultimately was the best of the group, it's easy to ignore other factors and cherry pick stats that obviously indicate Collins was the best of all the backs. I'd have to go back and watch the highlights and tape of Collins, but literally nobody during that period (even people whose job it was to study these guys) thought Collins was flashing, so it's not just that the Seahawks missed it, it was everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Here's an interesting tour video of the Raven's compound. It shows a ton of different rooms and highlights some stuff I didn't know went on, like how the Ravens bring barbers to the facility and have them cut the player's and coach's hair in the player's lounge. To avoid dealing with big time distractions of being recognized out and about, they don't want any time wasted during the season lol. A couple cameos from some Ravens just walking around the facility too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp6488 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 16 hours ago, DreamKid said: Great article on the stupidity of the Seahawk's organization. How tragic the Seahawk's lack of analytics usage and comprehension there of is. Plus how we benefit in the form of one Alex Collins- http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/2018/lack-of-attention-to-analytics-how-a-team-misunderstood-a-starter-caliber-player-cut-him-and-overpaid-to-replace-him Quote The Ravens finished 9-7 despite going 2-5 in one-score games. The Ravens project to have a softer 2018 schedule – increasing the probability of more run-friendly game scripts – and Baltimore’s run-defense slate goes from eighth toughest to tenth easiest. Interesting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Danand Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 7 hours ago, sp6488 said: Interesting.... Our projected schedule this year is much harder. Our schedule last year looks a lot less difficult if you insert the amount of backup QB's and rookie QB's we faced. On the flipside, we might see an oline which are much better. I have watched more than half of the games from the 2017. The PFF rating an other rating sites who somehow managed to give our oline great ratings either have a very simplistic way of evaluating, or they don't know what they are doing. That oline was bad in general with a few solid performances. The Ravens where forced to use a lot of extra blockers to help the oline pass protect or run the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 3 hours ago, Danand said: That oline was bad in general with a few solid performances. The Ravens where forced to use a lot of extra blockers to help the oline pass protect or run the ball. If we didn't have an above average center last year to anchor a patchwork line down, it could've been worse. That's my take on the line last season. We did better than we should have, and it could've been worse. Credit to our coaches. Stanley had a down year, I expect him to be much better this season. Orlando Brown Jr. will be an upgrade over Howard, but for tough tasks like Von Miller a chip from Hurst or Boyle could still be in order. Yanda will Yanda. Center is the position of concern, and will determine who plays left guard. Let's hope someone emerges quickly in preseason. The sooner we solidify the line, the better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danand Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 17 minutes ago, DreamKid said: If we didn't have an above average center last year to anchor a patchwork line down, it could've been worse. That's my take on the line last season. We did better than we should have, and it could've been worse. Credit to our coaches. Stanley had a down year, I expect him to be much better this season. Orlando Brown Jr. will be an upgrade over Howard, but for tough tasks like Von Miller a chip from Hurst or Boyle could still be in order. Yanda will Yanda. Center is the position of concern, and will determine who plays left guard. Let's hope someone emerges quickly in preseason. The sooner we solidify the line, the better. we go into another season with some heavy oline shuffling, which could become an issue once again. We saw just how much a bad center can make everything fall to pieces like it did with Gino Grakowski in 2013. I am not saying we shouldn't rely on chipping or some extra blocking from tight ends or a 6th lineman, but last year it was necessary to get anything going in both aspects of the game. It is a really limited passing offense to trot out there if there is 2 wide receivers running routes and a RB/TE safety valve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 13 hours ago, sp6488 said: Interesting.... Is that article trying to say we have an easier schedule this year? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paraven Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Jeff Z just wrote up another article on the Athletic reiterating there is no QB competition and its quite clear when watching practice and that ravens plan is still to have Jackson sit for a year or 2. Despite what all these national media reporters say... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp6488 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 5 hours ago, Darth Pees said: Is that article trying to say we have an easier schedule this year? lol I believe so. It may be referring specifically to run defenses, or defenses for that matter, rather than teams overall (albeit not super clear on that point). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp6488 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 58 minutes ago, paraven said: Jeff Z just wrote up another article on the Athletic reiterating there is no QB competition and its quite clear when watching practice and that ravens plan is still to have Jackson sit for a year or 2. Despite what all these national media reporters say... It's almost like they are trying to stir the pot for headlines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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