TNF: LA Chargers(10-3) @ KC Chiefs(11-2)

[Jakuvious]

15 minutes ago, Chiefer said:

In all of our losses this year weve had a failure of closing out games. Eating clock and getting out with a win.

Execution of course is a problem, but this is a known Andy Reid issue. Colts/titans in the playoffs comes to mind among other games as well.

Isnt execution also on the coaches? If your players aren't consistently executing in crunch time over years that's gotta fall on coaching at Some point.

Yes, if it's consistent, execution is on the coaches. It's why I'd be all for firing Sutton, as we've had consistent execution issues on defense. When our DBs can't get lined up in week 15, and our LBs are shocked half the time by the opposing play call, yeah, that's coaching.

I don't think you can possibly call any offensive execution issues consistent enough to blame on Reid, though. It was one 3 and out. With balanced play calling. Reid is getting blamed for this game not because of anything he did this game, but because of the things he has done in past games. And that's stupid. He has been the reason we've failed to close out games before, sure. Not as often as some believe, but it's happened. He was not the reason we failed to close out this one, though.

I just don't get what people wanted him to do differently this game. You keep referencing eating clock, but it was a run, a completion, and a sack. It's not like we threw incomplete passes or called timeouts or anything. We ate the clock for those 3 plays, the offense just didn't do well enough to convert. So the play calling was fine. But given how the season has gone, I'm not going to worry about offensive execution because of one 3 and out. It is on the defense executing. That's it. You give up 15 points in two drives in the 4th quarter, that's why you lost. It had absolutely, 100% nothing to do with play calling on that one offensive drive we had the chance to close it out.

Like, I get it. It's easier to say that Reid screwed up than to say the players got outplayed hard when it mattered. Doesn't make it true though.

[Jakuvious]

30 minutes ago, Chiefer said:

In all of our losses this year weve had a failure of closing out games. Eating clock and getting out with a win.

Execution of course is a problem, but this is a known Andy Reid issue. Colts/titans in the playoffs comes to mind among other games as well.

Isnt execution also on the coaches? If your players aren't consistently executing in crunch time over years that's gotta fall on coaching at Some point.

Also the bold is just wrong. In the Rams game, we never had the ball in the 4th quarter with the lead. We went up with the fumble TD, were back down by the time the O got the ball back. We took the lead with the Conley TD, were back down by the time we got the ball back. There was never a time to run out the clock on offense.

Same against the Pats. We never had possession of the ball with the lead in the 4th quarter. There was never a time we could run out the clock. We went up 33-30 and the Pats immediately scored. Tied the game 40-40 and never got the ball back.

We can't close out games because our pass defense is garbage. It's that simple.

[Chiefer]

37 minutes ago, Jakuvious said:

Yes, if it's consistent, execution is on the coaches. It's why I'd be all for firing Sutton, as we've had consistent execution issues on defense. When our DBs can't get lined up in week 15, and our LBs are shocked half the time by the opposing play call, yeah, that's coaching.

I don't think you can possibly call any offensive execution issues consistent enough to blame on Reid, though. It was one 3 and out. With balanced play calling. Reid is getting blamed for this game not because of anything he did this game, but because of the things he has done in past games. And that's stupid. He has been the reason we've failed to close out games before, sure. Not as often as some believe, but it's happened. He was not the reason we failed to close out this one, though.

I just don't get what people wanted him to do differently this game. You keep referencing eating clock, but it was a run, a completion, and a sack. It's not like we threw incomplete passes or called timeouts or anything. We ate the clock for those 3 plays, the offense just didn't do well enough to convert. So the play calling was fine. But given how the season has gone, I'm not going to worry about offensive execution because of one 3 and out. It is on the defense executing. That's it. You give up 15 points in two drives in the 4th quarter, that's why you lost. It had absolutely, 100% nothing to do with play calling on that one offensive drive we had the chance to close it out.

Like, I get it. It's easier to say that Reid screwed up than to say the players got outplayed hard when it mattered. Doesn't make it true though.

But its Reids fault Sutton is on the team. Hes the HC so the entire teams execution falls on him as well. He cant just hide behind the offense while the defense is sinking.

[Forge]

So apparently Fuller requires surgery on his hand now? Did he fracture something on the interception? 

[Chiefer]

2 minutes ago, Forge said:

So apparently Fuller requires surgery on his hand now? Did he fracture something on the interception? 

Idk he played throughout the game with it though. There goes our last decent cover corner

[Jakuvious]

1 minute ago, Chiefer said:

But its Reids fault Sutton is on the team. Hes the HC so the entire teams execution falls on him as well. He cant just hide behind the offense while the defense is sinking.

That's...fair, but also kind of silly. Is it then Veach's fault Reid is still around? And Hunt's fault we have Veach?

Guess we need new ownership then.

 

If you want to fault Reid for Sutton not being fired last offseason, I can get behind that. But that wasn't what we were arguing. We were arguing the fact that you think Reid getting conservative has lost us games this year, and it hasn't. Our defense being trash has lost us games. If you think that's then Reid's fault for retaining Sutton, okay, whatever. Still comes back to the point that Sutton needs fired, the defense needs fixed, but the offense and offensive play calling is fine. And what you get with Reid is an offensive head coach. Sure, he's responsible for the whole team, but does anyone believe he has anything to do with the D? It's the same thing you get with Payton or McVay or Pederson or a ton of other coaches nowadays. You need the kind of DC that can handle their own stuff. Criticizing Reid for the D is like criticizing Tyreek Hill for not being 6'4". You knew what you got when you hired him, you have to work around that.

[Chiefer]

27 minutes ago, Jakuvious said:

That's...fair, but also kind of silly. Is it then Veach's fault Reid is still around? And Hunt's fault we have Veach?

Guess we need new ownership then.

 

If you want to fault Reid for Sutton not being fired last offseason, I can get behind that. But that wasn't what we were arguing. We were arguing the fact that you think Reid getting conservative has lost us games this year, and it hasn't. Our defense being trash has lost us games. If you think that's then Reid's fault for retaining Sutton, okay, whatever. Still comes back to the point that Sutton needs fired, the defense needs fixed, but the offense and offensive play calling is fine. And what you get with Reid is an offensive head coach. Sure, he's responsible for the whole team, but does anyone believe he has anything to do with the D? It's the same thing you get with Payton or McVay or Pederson or a ton of other coaches nowadays. You need the kind of DC that can handle their own stuff. Criticizing Reid for the D is like criticizing Tyreek Hill for not being 6'4". You knew what you got when you hired him, you have to work around that.

Veach is a Reid guy. You know the power structure they both report to Hunt.

Its silly that a HC should be held accountable for his teams execution? Maybe he should get involved with the D, the fact he doesnt is why were discussing this now. 

A head coach is responsible for the entire team. Even if they specialize in one area, theyre still accountable for everybody. And until he does show some accoubtability for that side of the ball i dont think hell ever win a SB

 

[Xenos]

Additional good news. We actually came out of last night relatively unscathed.

 

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[Xenos]

Another memorable interview by Phil: "You hold this team to 28 points when your knucklehead quarterback gives them the ball at the 40, and then throws another pick in the redzone...." Never change Phil. Never change.

 

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12 hours ago, Chiefer said:

When the refs are on your side...

The refs were on your side during your 4th TD drive. They were equally horrible to both sides. Whether it's because they were doing make up flags for penalty that they were missed, both teams suffered equally IMO.

[Xenos]

12 hours ago, Jakuvious said:

I'm confused with the narratives that people are going with at the end of this game. I've seen a lot of blaming Reid for getting conservative. And I've seen one person blaming Mahomes. I don't get either. There wasn't really anything conservative about our play calling late in the game. We only had one drive start in the 4th quarter. That drive was a 3 and out, but the sequence was run, pass, penalty, pass. It's not like Reid went straight run out the clock on that drive. That was called as he likely would've called any drive in the game. Running on first down? Fine by me. Passing on 2nd and 13? Pretty standard. Passing on 3rd and 13? Yeah, makes sense. I don't get why people are saying he got conservative with the lead. I know it's easier to blame the playcaller, but sometimes it's execution, too. If our OL pass blocks at all, maybe we convert the 3rd down. If Harris doesn't false start, maybe we have a more open playbook. If they don't lose 3 on first down, maybe we convert the next play or two. The execution botched that drive. I don't see anything that Reid did on that drive that was inherently foolish or conservative, and that was really the only drive I feel people can criticize. The one before, when we were up 21 - 14, we scored a TD on. So he certainly wasn't too conservative on that one.

But despite that drive, the offense did more than enough that game. In the end, the problem was 100%, as it has been all year with this team, the defense. In two drives, they allowed LAC, in 7 minutes, to go 130 yards in 19 plays, with two touchdowns, and a two point conversion. The defense failed, completely. 3 touchdowns in 4 drives in the second half, by LAC, and the narrative is that Reid got too conservative on offense. I don't get it.

I'm confused as well. The defense just stepped up at the end. It wasn't Reid's or Mahome's fault.

[Xenos]

8 hours ago, game3525 said:

KC"s tackles did a very good job for the most part and the times Bosa could generate pressure, Mahomes would get rid of the ball or get out the pocket. 

I think in the second half, the Chargers realized it was better to play contain than try to shoot the gap to sack him. He's too elusive like Wilson and is deadly outside the pocket. But if you keep him in the pocket, there's  better chance of stopping him. It's how they got to him on that last drive.

[Xenos]

6 hours ago, showtime said:

The Chiefs @ Seattle game is really interesting.  Seattle is still one of the best home field advantages in the sport and the team has been extremely hot lately.  The played the Chargers a few weeks back in Seattle and they honestly should have won that game.  Russell Wilson threw an unforced pick 6 directly to a Chargers defender in the 2nd half and Moore dropped a last second TD that hit him right in the hands.

I'm still shocked at how the Vikings could not score or even throw the football against the Seahawks secondary.  Their secondary has been the weak link on the defensive unit over the past 4-5 weeks and defending the Chiefs will be extremely difficult.  Unlike the Vikings, the Chiefs actually have a really good QB to utilize those great weapons.  Losing Kareem Hunt totally changes the Chiefs offense.  No need to respect their running game anymore or the threat that Hunt gave them as a receiver.  Kelce, Hill and those guys can now have extra coverage their way.

The score was closer than it should have been because our kicker at the time, Sturgis, couldn't make a field goal or XPT. It basically cost him his job. Thank goodness too because I'm happy with the Money Badger lol.

[wackywabbit]

12 hours ago, Jakuvious said:

I'm confused with the narratives that people are going with at the end of this game. I've seen a lot of blaming Reid for getting conservative.

Reid getting conservative was not a problem. Reid having poor situational decision making WAS a big problem.

First of all punting on 4th and short in opposing territory shouldn't be a mistake that coaches make anymore; let alone considering the offensive success rate of the two teams in this game. At the end of the game, he should have been calling timeouts to give Mahommes a chance to get the ball back if needed. The Chargers weren't limited by the clock. If the other team is purposely winding down the clock (which the Chargers did to perfection) you shouldn't be sitting on 3 timeouts. If Reid (or the someone the Chiefs hired to deal with these situations) recognized it, they easily could have had a minute AND a timeout to get into FG range and win the game.