jimkelly02 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: Collins is by far a superior talent to Hall/Hurst. I don’t play video games but just think of Madden Ratings Collins- 82 lower 80s Hurst- 72 Hall- 70 I could see situations where hall and Hankins get a lot of snaps together and Collins+hurst come in on passing downs. I think Collins starts but If the coaches decided to start Hall for run early but give Collins a higher snap count I wouldn’t be suprised. I’m not talking all 16 games, I’m talking situationally- against heavy run teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 I rewatched the KC game again. I think our inability to run vertically with fast WRs hurt us the most in the game. Randall and Littleton will definitely help, but we need at least 1 more corner (duh) with long speed AND a nickel back/versatile coverage DB. Whether that's worley (after the draft), Burgess, or another safety/slot type defender we need to get that figured out 100% or we'll be mismatched all game long. On O, I think we need a #1 type AND a downfield threat (SPEED). Waller and Williams (pre injury) can both make contested catches. But we need more speed so we can run spread pass plays (including variants of 4 verts). Agholor is a good #4 for now, but can we bring in a developmental guy to do what Demarcus Robinson/Mecole Hardman can do. Is that KJ Hamler? Lynn Bowden? Quez Watkins? Some interesting scenarios here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 32 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: I rewatched the KC game again. I think our inability to run vertically with fast WRs hurt us the most in the game. Randall and Littleton will definitely help, but we need at least 1 more corner (duh) with long speed AND a nickel back/versatile coverage DB. Whether that's worley (after the draft), Burgess, or another safety/slot type defender we need to get that figured out 100% or we'll be mismatched all game long. On O, I think we need a #1 type AND a downfield threat (SPEED). Waller and Williams (pre injury) can both make contested catches. But we need more speed so we can run spread pass plays (including variants of 4 verts). Agholor is a good #4 for now, but can we bring in a developmental guy to do what Demarcus Robinson/Mecole Hardman can do. Is that KJ Hamler? Lynn Bowden? Quez Watkins? Some interesting scenarios here. there's some speed guys at WR in this draft. I think we all want to double dip. I argue that Jacobs has that power/burst but lacking in home run threat. I actually want our RB2 to be more of a long end speed. I hope we add speed in those 3 spots. I agree on speed at corners. I just feel like our defense always seems slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidr4life Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 58 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: Collins is by far a superior talent to Hall/Hurst. I don’t play video games but just think of Madden Ratings Collins- 82 lower 80s Hurst- 72 Hall- 70 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: there's some speed guys at WR in this draft. I think we all want to double dip. I argue that Jacobs has that power/burst but lacking in home run threat. I actually want our RB2 to be more of a long end speed. I hope we add speed in those 3 spots. I agree on speed at corners. I just feel like our defense always seems slow A good FS can make up for poor CBs. If you look at the KC game most times the FS is there just doesn't make the play other times it's a blown coverage. Either way the upgrade at FS was much needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 12 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: I rewatched the KC game again. I think our inability to run vertically with fast WRs hurt us the most in the game. Randall and Littleton will definitely help, but we need at least 1 more corner (duh) with long speed AND a nickel back/versatile coverage DB. Whether that's worley (after the draft), Burgess, or another safety/slot type defender we need to get that figured out 100% or we'll be mismatched all game long. You say that our inability to run vertically with fast WR's was our biggest weakness but want to bring back Worley? Dude is a CB running a 4.8. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Totty said: Sorry if I missed it but is Collins a starter on this defense or is it Hurst and Hankins and bring in Collins on passing downs? 15 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said: I think it's Hurst/Hall+Hankins on early downs and Hurst+Collins on passing downs. BUT Collins might end up playing more snaps it depends on what Guenther thinks of Collins. I don't think you pay him $6M to be a backup. He'll likely start with Hankins as it doesn't seem the staff likes Hurst/Hall very much. Considering Hurst's usage was way down, there were rumors PJ Hall might not even make the roster last season, and there are still rumors that we want to improve our interior DL in the draft. Not to mention Rod Marinelli was banging the table for us to get him and he'll likely be the DC by the end of the season, imo. Edited April 19, 2020 by NYRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 13 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: Collins is by far a superior talent to Hall/Hurst. I don’t play video games but just think of Madden Ratings Collins- 82 lower 80s Hurst- 72 Hall- 70 Littleton - 79 Whitehead - 76 We should've just kept Tahir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: You say that our inability to run vertically with fast WR's was our biggest weakness but want to bring back Worley? Dude is a CB running a 4.8. Worley run a 4.64. Not 4.8... and im guessing Worley would fall under the versatile DB he was talking about... someone who can cover TE or bigger WRs. https://www.draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=128500&DraftYear=2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, NYRaider said: I don't think you pay him $6M to be a backup. He'll likely start with Hankins as it doesn't seem the staff likes Hurst/Hall very much. Considering Hurst's usage was way down, there were rumors PJ Hall might not even make the roster last season, and there are still rumors that we want to improve our interior DL in the draft. Not to mention Rod Marinelli was banging the table for us to get him and he'll likely be the DC by the end of the season, imo. While all true, DT rotate often because they’d tired out playing over 60-70% of the snaps and using Collins on rushing downs would take away from his pass rush. what people are saying is Collins will get the most snaps but he might not be a “starter” for all 16 games. We could see Hall and Hankins start games. But they’d only get a 40/60 split of snaps with Collins getting the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: Worley run a 4.64. Not 4.8... and im guessing Worley would fall under the versatile DB he was talking about... someone who can cover TE or bigger WRs. https://www.draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=128500&DraftYear=2016 Worley is so slow. I still have nightmares of AJ Brown abusing him last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Worley is so slow. I still have nightmares of AJ Brown abusing him last year. He’s definitely a slow CB. My point is he’s so slow there’s no need to exaggerate it by saying 4.8. but worley has had longer moments of success. When people advocate for him to come back it’s only as a placeholder until a rookie is able to start and then use him in a role of covering TEs and larger WRs, which he is decent at. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 6 hours ago, NYRaider said: You say that our inability to run vertically with fast WR's was our biggest weakness but want to bring back Worley? Dude is a CB running a 4.8. He's a matchup player for tight ends to me. He did a good job on Kelce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 6 hours ago, NYRaider said: Littleton - 79 Whitehead - 76 We should've just kept Tahir. Ferrell- 78 Hankins- 82 Collins- 82 Max- 79 Littleton- 88 Kwiatkosk-84 Lee- 68 Mullens- 78 Lawson- 70 Randall- 80 Abram-80 imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: Ferrell- 78 Hankins- 82 Collins- 82 Max- 79 Littleton- 88 Kwiatkosk-84 Lee- 68 Mullens- 78 Lawson- 70 Randall- 80 Abram-80 imo I wasn't giving my opinion, was giving their actual ratings from last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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