lancerman Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Btw just want to point this out. The current overtime rules percentages right now say the winner of the coin toss has a 50.8% (someone check me on this) chance of winning. That's about as even as it gets. The current college OT rules favor the team that goes second at a greater rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, VikeManDan said: If this was truly the case they'd be doing college OT unless I'm not understanding your post. They changed the OT rules to possibly give each team a chance to score which leads to higher scoring games to appeal to kids and casuals. Which in turn equals $$$. They didn't need to go to the extent of adding college OT rules to accomplish this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said: Because the Chiefs defense couldn't stop the Patriots from scoring a TD, that's why. If the Chiefs defense would have held them to a FG, then you would have seen the Patriots defense out there. So the coin toss was the factor that made me not watch the Pats defense? Sounds like a lot of luck involved, mmmh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, lancerman said: Btw just want to point this out. The current overtime rules percentages right now say the winner of the coin toss has a 50.8% (someone check me on this) chance of winning. That's about as even as it gets. The current college OT rules favor the team that goes second at a greater rate. I honestly believe if anything gets changed, it's solely because of the Mahomes angle. Not in the interest of fairness, but rather that they didn't allow for the next "It Guy" to take the field in a huge, high profile moment to be able to take advantage of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, lancerman said: Btw just want to point this out. The current overtime rules percentages right now say the winner of the coin toss has a 50.8% (someone check me on this) chance of winning. That's about as even as it gets. The current college OT rules favor the team that goes second at a greater rate. That would make the decision to get the ball or defer a little bit more interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Forge said: I honestly believe if anything gets changed, it's solely because of the Mahomes angle. Not in the interest of fairness, but rather that they didn't allow for the next "It Guy" to take the field in a huge, high profile moment to be able to take advantage of it. Which to me is stupid. Because there are really only so many options. Option 1: College rules. It has a massive advantage to the team that goes 2nd. It removes the special teams and field positioning aspect of the game. It's brutal and NFL players are going to hate it with the emphasis on safety. Option 2: Give both teams an automatic offensive possession. This works in theory. However, lets say the Patriots get the coin toss. They go on offense and drive down for a score. The Chiefs go on offense, they drive down for a score (they also have an advantage knowing they need to go for it on 4th). Then the Patriots drive for another score. While now the coin toss still mattered because the team that won got the crucial possession because of winning the coin toss. It just adds in an extra step. But it's relevant here because the complaint is that most people think both teams will score. Option 3: Add a full quarter. Nobody would agree to this. It's too brutal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, goldfishwars said: I don't know how you get a better rule the current rules. Mike Sando put it well. Well I didn't think it was that close lol I still think that we should see both defenses on the field Everyone is focus on offense, but I want to see everybody. It's still a coin toss call and that makes me mad. I want to see in the data in all the wins how many times did the defense made a stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, evilpimp972 said: So the coin toss was the factor that made me not watch the Pats defense? Sounds like a lot of luck involved, mmmh Sounds like the defense just couldn't prevent the Patriots from scoring. Sure didn't stop the Rams winning despite losing the coin toss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said: Sounds like the defense just couldn't prevent the Patriots from scoring. Sure didn't stop the Rams winning despite losing the coin toss. One defense couldn't stop the other yes. But we'll never know if the Pats defense could've stop Mahomes. That makes me mad lol And it's still a damn coin toss. Find another way to get the ball maybe?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, lancerman said: Which to me is stupid. Because there are really only so many options. But isn't it a decision that is so in the nature of self interest (marketing, cash, etc) that you can see the league doing it? 2 minutes ago, lancerman said: Option 2: Give both teams an automatic offensive possession. This works in theory. However, lets say the Patriots get the coin toss. They go on offense and drive down for a score. The Chiefs go on offense, they drive down for a score (they also have an advantage knowing they need to go for it on 4th). Then the Patriots drive for another score. While now the coin toss still mattered because the team that won got the crucial possession because of winning the coin toss. It just adds in an extra step. But it's relevant here because the complaint is that most people think both teams will score. The one thing I will say about this though is that it makes the coin flip decision pretty interesting. By nature, you'd want the ball second so that you potentially have 4 downs to work with. But at the same time, if they score, you score, they score and the game is over, it really puts a crimp in the theory that you would always want the ball second. You're basically weighing having the knowledge of knowing what you need with the possibility that you may not get the same number of possessions. I'd be curious to see how most teams approached this decision. I have no issue if they go this route, but I also have no issue if they keep it the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk9erfan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Hmm, since when should we be satisfied that a coin toss in effect decides the outcome of any NFL game let alone the Championship games. The coin toss is deciding who gets to try to score first, and in today's seriously offense friendly league (something we have pretty much all agreed about in many other discussions here on these boards), that surely gives a considerable advantage to the team that wins the coin toss and decides to put their offense on the field first. It is not at all reflective of our egalitarian society here in the west (big word for a football fan I know), and when it comes to fairness, isn't that we all want to see in the officiating. Heaven knows we were all howling with disappointment about the non-call for DPI in the NFCCG. So why should it be any different with the rules for overtime? And with the NFL making the games so offense friendly, why on earth would they not give the newest budding superstar the opportunity to showcase his skills after the reigning champion (Brady) has had his. More excitement, more fun, more revenue - the league is missing out on screwing even more money out of the fans here, and I have to wonder what the casinos would have to say about not being able to give their customers an opportunity to bet on not one but two separate possessions in overtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 21, 2019 Author Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, uk9erfan said: Hmm, since when should we be satisfied that a coin toss in effect decides the outcome of any NFL game let alone the Championship games. The coin toss is deciding who gets to try to score first, and in today's seriously offense friendly league (something we have pretty much all agreed about in many other discussions here on these boards), that surely gives a considerable advantage to the team that wins the coin toss and decides to put their offense on the field first. It is not at all reflective of our egalitarian society here in the west (big word for a football fan I know), and when it comes to fairness, isn't that we all want to see in the officiating. Heaven knows we were all howling with disappointment about the non-call for DPI in the NFCCG. So why should it be any different with the rules for overtime? And with the NFL making the games so offense friendly, why on earth would they not give the newest budding superstar the opportunity to showcase his skills after the reigning champion (Brady) has had his. More excitement, more fun, more revenue - the league is missing out on screwing even more money out of the fans here, and I have to wonder what the casinos would have to say about not being able to give their customers an opportunity to bet on not one but two separate possessions in overtime. Didn't have to read anything past the bolded because the bolded itself isn't true in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk9erfan Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Didn't have to read anything past the bolded because the bolded itself isn't true in the slightest. C'mon Flacco, I read and enjoy your insightful and sometimes amusing posting here; at least have the decency to read on further after I used the words 'in effect' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilpimp972 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Didn't have to read anything past the bolded because the bolded itself isn't true in the slightest. He didn't say that winning the coin toss does guarantee you to win. He says the coin toss affect the game, which is true nah? Have them kick fgs at least the special teams will be involve lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveTheVikings Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, evilpimp972 said: So the coin toss was the factor that made me not watch the Pats defense? Sounds like a lot of luck involved, mmmh Must have been luck that the Chiefs let the Pat's convert 3 3rd & longs in OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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